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To: Fishtalk
He let us conservatives carry this water, he appears to take the position to allow history, our American history that my granddaughter will learn, to be a LIE! He gave the liberals and the rest of the America-hating world talking points that were not true.

Hold your horses! These weapons may have already been accounted for and deemed to be degraded.

At this point, it's best to not jump the gun.

234 posted on 06/21/2006 6:23:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Reread the report:

While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.


239 posted on 06/21/2006 6:26:23 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: sinkspur
What I've been hearing, scuttlebutt, talk show noise...is that the administration did NOT want to go here.

The admin simply wanted to concede the point over WMD's as there had been faulty intelligence and it was too much to deal with.

A scenario I believe, Sink good buddy, because the President has done one lousy butt job of communicating all that was horrible about Saddam to the American public. All those tenuous connections to Al-Queda, all that sneakery that JVeritas' translations are revealing.

The President knew about this. Bush did the right thing as I am sure Clinton knew about it too. But the left getting that precious talking point for what? Four years now? That talking point about no WMD's...Sink, that was a killer. It was a killer and Bush, Rove, Cheney, whoever made the decision, it was really a bad idea.

A bunch of biological weapons that were degraded? So why did Saddam keep them? Why didn't he turn the degraded crap over to the UN weapons guys? Saddam, goodness, he could have been hailed as a hero, an upstanding guy who was turning over his old chemical stockpiles all good and proper.

Saddam didn't turn those chemicals over because he wanted to keep them. Wherever he had them hid it was a good spot. The UN guys didn't find them; our coalition forces did. Even just a little Sarin gas is a bad thing. I'm betting Saddam hung onto those chemicals as an ace in the hole. And talk all night, I'm not convinced those chemicals were harmless.

Better, why didn't the President present the case, just like I did above? Couldn't he at least have sent out some talking guys to make the case?

This administration allowed "No weapons of WMD's" to become an ingrained talking point and this will be difficult to overcome, if ever.

Bad decision. I might be just an American slob and not part of the politically elite, but I know a plain bad decision when I look it in the eye.

254 posted on 06/21/2006 6:35:21 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: sinkspur
True.

And people should realize one thing right away: Before the 2004 elections, Bush knew this. Kerry was lying right through his teeth. Hell, we knew it. The Dueffler report stated that we had found WMD's, but the conclusion was that there were none. Yeah, you figure that one out.

The whole "Bush Lied" mantra could have been stomped flat. Instead, the man put his presidency on the line to keep quiet and keep being viciously and untruthfully attacked when he could have made political hay with this. And for 2 years later he still refrained from destroying the democrats with it. Why?

This introduces what I call:
The calculus of death and media.

I saw it suggested that the "Bush Lied No WMD" crapola was sufficient for the terrorists - that they knew if they actually used WMDs then their pro-terrorist sympathizers in the Democratic party would no longer give them free propaganda. That, essentially, NOT USING the WMD's meant free anti-war spin and that was more useful for them than the few thousand deaths they could gain by using, say, a dozen sarin rounds in the Bay Area Rapid Transit system. Or in a US base in Iraq.

Conversely, it seems Bush valued the safety of our troops in-country more than he did the ability to stop the constant personal and political attacks on himself. He refrained, and allowed us time to further solidify the hold of a non-insane government in Iraq, which would eventually allow recovery and destruction of the WMDs.

It follows - that to release the info now, the administration recognizes the fact that we need to slap the hell out of the faces of the lying sh*tbags that have done so much to denigrate and destroy our country. Their bullcrap "Bush Lied Goats Died!" mantra is now shown to be an utter insane farce, a deliberate and clearly self-serving, un-American LIE to the American people for over 2 years. And this will also force the MSM to review the stated and clear reasons which led us to attack Iraq. None of which, by the way, have EVER been "proven" wrong by the left, nor have EVER been realistically argued against.

Now, the idiots on the left are standing around, realizing they have been found out as deliberately lying about the war, about Iraq, and will be seen as obstructionist for the pure simple reason of lust for power and hate for America. They now have to return to the dozen or so other reasons we voted on back in 2003 and try to prove that one or more of them was false. Which, may I remind everyone, is impossible. (Hell, the whole "WMD Stockpile required to justify the war" garbage was false on its face - and they seem to have forgotten it)
They're going to be drinking heavily tonight, I think.

275 posted on 06/21/2006 6:44:58 PM PDT by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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