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State should know that 2 dads are better than none (FL) (Barf Alert!)
St. Petersburg Times ^ | June 21, 2006 | Sue Carlton

Posted on 06/21/2006 1:44:52 PM PDT by DBeers

State should know that 2 dads are better than none

They're a busy family this summer, the girls off to horse camp and gymnastics camp, to family field trips at the botanical gardens and the aquarium, to the beach.

They have loud laughing dinners around the table. Sometimes, the girls fight like the sisters they are: She's looking at me. Make her stop. Sundays it's church.

"Who?'' Dad asks when I mention Ronda Storms.

Storms is the Hillsborough commissioner who made political hay out of her crusade to keep the county from recognizing gay pride events. Most recently, she said if she's elected to the state Senate, she'll try to ban gays and lesbians from being foster parents.

That would exclude people like Dad - Scott Elsass, who works for a health care company - and his partner of 11 years, Curtis Watson, a child and family therapist who is Daddy to their two girls. Over the years, their Seminole home has sheltered 30 kids in need.

Maybe you remember them. Two years ago, Watson and Elsass went to court for the right to raise two little girls, foster children the state had placed in their permanent custody.

Things didn't exactly start out sitcom sweet. After stints in a string of foster homes, the youngest girl arrived and greeted them with an extended middle finger.

"Excuse me?'' Elsass said, shocked. She thought he didn't understand, so she supplied the words. "F--- you,'' she said. She was all of 4.

"Curtis says, 'She's so real and honest,' " Elsass told me. "I said, 'She's real all right.' "

The girls flourished, and the state gave the men what's called long-term nonrelative custody. But then officials wanted to take it back, not because Watson or Elsass had done anything wrong, but because they said caseworkers hadn't tried hard enough to find an adoptive home.

Catch-22: In Florida, gay people can't adopt.

In court, even the state's own witnesses said how well the girls were doing. The judge thanked "Dad and Daddy," said the state owed them a debt of gratitude and ruled that the girls could live permanently with them.

"We can't change their last name, but they're ours,'' Elsass says.

Last year, the girls wanted a big birthday party. Okay, the dads said, but don't be shocked if some people don't show. The invitations made it clear there was no mommy involved.

Turnout was huge.

"We don't define ourselves as gay men,'' Elsass says. "We define ourselves as family men and workers.'' They work, play, raise their kids. They're not especially political. He says they're lucky enough to have lots of friends, gay and not.

The girls have just finished first and second grades. The one they were told was probably mentally retarded is their scholar. Her sister is the social butterfly, crazy for horses.

Elsass has stayed in touch with their birth mother. He admires her for knowing she was losing control and calling for help. He hopes she can one day have some part in their lives.

Photos of foster children who have come and gone spread across a wall of their den: the boy who came kicking and screaming, the one the neighbors called "the Taliban.'' Turned out he was so sweet members of their church cried when he left.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Children and Families said she couldn't tell me how many of the state's foster parents are gay because they don't ask. Thirty-seven percent are single, if that's any clue.

The objection to gays as foster (or adoptive) parents seems rooted in the notion that they'll "turn" children gay, or that they'll hurt them. But when you read about abuse in a foster home, isn't it usually straight people doing the damage?

And the argument that it's morally wrong? Well, what's so morally right about letting kids in need go without capable and qualified parents who are willing to take them on?

The foster care system is overburdened. A state audit released Monday said a higher percentage of children in foster care are being repeatedly abused.

Imagine if bias without basis were to take away a segment of decent foster parents. The system can't afford it. The kids can't afford it.

Elsass tells a story he still finds funny. On a family camping trip, his youngest kept bringing people over to meet them.

"See?'' she would say. "I do have two dads."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: adoption; fostercare; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; homosexualfostercare; spewage

1 posted on 06/21/2006 1:44:56 PM PDT by DBeers
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To: DBeers

Warped. just plain warped.


2 posted on 06/21/2006 1:46:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: DBeers

And if 2 dads are better, then why not 7?


3 posted on 06/21/2006 1:46:38 PM PDT by SampleMan
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4 posted on 06/21/2006 1:48:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Catch-22: In Florida, gay people can't adopt.

ACTUALLY, that is propaganda...

Florida courts have always interpreted the statute as it was premised by the legislature in 1977 to apply only to "practicing" homosexuals -in essence, those practicing an activity, NOT those supposedly possessing some innate homosexual identity yet to be identified by ANY science.

Anyway, this is a Florida story so what gives? Is the court circumventing the law here?

5 posted on 06/21/2006 1:53:19 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

So because the children of homosexuals go to horse camp and bicker amongst themselves, their lives are just like the lives of the children of straight parents? Huh?

And the whole "2 dads is better than none" is the same argument liberals use for abortion: "Isn't it better to kill the baby now than allow it to be born and have it abused by its parents?" -- as if those are the only options.

Let's try a conservative take on that same kind of logic:

"One mentally healthy parent is ALWAYS better than 2 screwed up parents."


6 posted on 06/21/2006 1:54:37 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: DBeers
Sure not every foster parent or parents who are gay are going to abuse the children they are given to care for, but I still believe that the chance is much more likely.

This is why foster children are safest when placed into homes of married heterosexual couples. No single men, no single women. Yes, foster daddies may still abuse their foster daughters, but that's why foster parents should be carefully screened prior to being given any children to care for.
7 posted on 06/21/2006 1:54:47 PM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: CT-Freeper

"The invitations made it clear that no Mommy was involved."
Inserting their narcissistic gay agenda into a little girl's birthday aprty. It's all about Gay Gay Gay.


8 posted on 06/21/2006 2:00:57 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Zechariah_8_13
And the whole "2 dads is better than none" is the same argument liberals use for abortion: "Isn't it better to kill the baby now than allow it to be born and have it abused by its parents?" -- as if those are the only options.

Bingo! Not surprising that propaganda for both fallacies appears in exactly the same sources.

9 posted on 06/21/2006 2:02:21 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98; DBeers

Words fail me.


10 posted on 06/21/2006 2:04:16 PM PDT by darkangel82 (higher visibility leads to greater zottability)
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To: DBeers
Hey, using that logic, three dads are even better than two! Why not let houses of prostitution just take these orphans? After all, 12 moms are better than none, right?

A society that forbids the Catholic Church to place orphans with adoptive families but demands that homosexuals be allowed to procure children is one that's far down the path to destruction.
11 posted on 06/21/2006 2:06:07 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: DBeers

I met your parents last night, they're really nice guys.

That used to be a joke when I was in high school.


12 posted on 06/21/2006 2:14:40 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
That used to be a joke when I was in high school.

It still is in all but leftist village meccas...

13 posted on 06/21/2006 2:23:07 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Lx
Every article I see about this issue discusses only very young children. Of course, young children need love more than anything, and will respond to it from anyone if they haven't gotten it before. That doesn't make it an ideal family situation for them. I have yet to see a story about a teenaged girl being raised by two homosexual men. What do they say to her when she gets her period? Who takes her shopping for her first bra or her first feminine hygiene products? What do they say when her first boyfriend dumps her? When she fights with her girlfriends? When she feels ugly? When she goes out on her first date? Whose clothes does she try on to see what she will look like when she is grown up?

This stuff makes me NUTS.

14 posted on 06/21/2006 2:30:26 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (The Kerry/Lehane/Wilson/Grunwald/Cooper plot to destroy Karl Rove has failed!!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Whose clothes does she try on to see what she will look like when she is grown up?

Well in that case, she might be covered...
15 posted on 06/21/2006 4:32:25 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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16 posted on 06/21/2006 6:29:57 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: DBeers
Nice language for a 4 year old!! Oh yeah, she is real alright. sickening.

And people are not afraid of homosexuals turning kids gay, we do not condone placing children in immoral homes, where they witness things that are unnatural and immoral.

Children need the correlation of nature to life, so their worlds make sense. A child who's world does no make natural sense, grows up lost, without a sense of natural boundaries, and without solid footing in which to pattern their own lives. A home is the smallest sub, in society, from which society begins. A society without set rules and boundaries fails. As do the lives of the people living in it.
17 posted on 06/21/2006 7:43:55 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: tutstar

ewe.


18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:53:23 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: tutstar

That's why I read the Tampa Tribune. The St. Pete paper is promoting euthanasia and I guess homosexuality too.


19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:54:55 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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