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US braced for Haditha effect
BBC ^ | June 20, 2006 | John Simpson

Posted on 06/20/2006 9:19:26 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

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To: blackbart.223
Unfortunately I live in extreme Southern California (San Diego) and much to my distain,I have not-so Feinstein and Babs the Boxer, neither of which returned my email about CUT'N RUN
41 posted on 06/20/2006 10:07:38 PM PDT by Foolsgold
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To: wildcatf4f3
"F England and Europe (except Poland)!"

I'd back off a bit on that. I'm no fan of Tony Blair's social policices but he has stuck to his guns on Iraq and the war on terror despite the political problems it may cause him.

42 posted on 06/20/2006 10:07:41 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Oh yes, forgot that one, deposed prez of Iraq my foot.

Just an example what our Marines do

From the Indepundit blog & who is also a Navy reserv. officer.

On November 15, 2004, the Marines were busy clearing houses in the Battle for Fallujah. Peralta, as scout team leader, was responsible for locating the enemy and directly ground forces to destroy them. He was not supposed join in the assaults inside the homes.
However, Rafael Peralta was not the kind of guy to stand around watching things happen. He wanted to make things happen. He routinely requested to join the assault teams entering the insurgent filled houses.

During the fateful assault on the 15th, after clearing three houses, Peralta lead the charge into the fourth house, finding two rooms empty on the ground floor. Upon opening a third door, Peralta was hit multiple times with AK-47 fire - severely wounded, he dropped to the floor and moved away in order to give the Marines behind him an opportunity to fire on the insurgents.

As the battle continued, the insurgents lobbed a grenade at the Marines. Two Marines were trapped in the room with Peralta. When they saw the grenade, they tried to get out of the blast area but were trapped.

Peralta, bleeding out on the floor, reached for the grenade and pulled it to his midsection, cradling the grenade before it cooked off.

The grenaded exploded, killing Peralta and critically wounding another Marine, the others all survived because Peralta absorbed the majority of the lethal blast.


43 posted on 06/20/2006 10:10:18 PM PDT by SoCalPol (.We Need a Border Fence Now.)
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To: blackbart.223

England is over as the mother country...our old mom is in bed with the man who beat us......


44 posted on 06/20/2006 10:15:47 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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To: Rosemont

Caught the start of Bill O'Reilly tonight, he singled out the ACLU and BBC as two of the most bereft of any impartiality when it comes to the WOT.

Obviously, the group that is to be included with them is a veritable viper's den of media outlets and talking heads.. all working to undercut the efforts underway to bring those who do evil indiscrimnately or otherwise to justice in the GWOT.

'They' collectively have not had a good month yet are not ready to yield their obstinate and ill-advised positions.

So be it, they must be stopped as surely as those who seek the death of western civilization must be stopped. I have faith that 'They' will be.


45 posted on 06/20/2006 10:17:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Wanna help kick some liberal arse? It's not just a job here at FR, IT's an obsession.)
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To: burzum
There is no reasoning with these people because they only communicate through emotions (unsurprisingly, the most common emotion is hate).

It has never been clearer for me that liberalism is a mindset (I should know. I, like many here, have been cured) than the arguments I have had with some otherwise intelligent liberals when it comes to the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

You can show hundreds of quotes from eyewitnesses of the Pentagon attack and they will still say it was a missle. Ask them where the passengers, crew of the plane went they either change the course of the discussion (Lib-"Look what I am saying is we don't have all of the facts") or delve further with mass execution claims ("...because the cause was more important.") Cell phone calls? - just another part of the charade.

Another Freeper referenced a brilliant quote that I will never forget and plan to employ often: You can't reason a person out of a position that they were not reasoned into.

That is the 9/11 conspiracy fanatics in a nutshell.

46 posted on 06/20/2006 10:18:26 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Patriotism...means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country” - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"But the news that three American soldiers have been charged in connection with the deaths of three prisoners in Iraq last month - and the probable charges over Haditha - may mean that Americans will now start blaming those who are actually fighting the war as well.

Just as they did in Vietnam."


BBC just hoping for that. Rat Bastards.
47 posted on 06/20/2006 10:18:40 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: torchthemummy
You can't reason a person out of a position that they were not reasoned into.

Excellent!

48 posted on 06/20/2006 10:20:15 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: wildcatf4f3
"England is over as the mother country..."

At what point did I call it that?

I bleed American.

I just said Blair is sticking in at great politcal risk.

49 posted on 06/20/2006 10:20:46 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Does anyone think that if this was a Russian or Chinese incident that anyone would give a Rats butt?

Frankly, I don't see how the USA can fight a war with the traitors called reporters now working in the MSM.


50 posted on 06/20/2006 10:26:10 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (2008 Democrat Motto: A Dixie Chick on pot, a Chinese bicycle in your garage and a Mexican maid)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

What a remarkably poorly written article.


51 posted on 06/20/2006 10:26:17 PM PDT by Theo
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To: burzum

Thanks. I wish I could identify the Freeper that posted that quote but unfortunately I can't remember who it was.


52 posted on 06/20/2006 10:26:42 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Patriotism...means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country” - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: headstamp
"BBC just hoping for that. Rat Bastards."

There are plenty of "Rat Bastards" running around in "The Press". That includes Rat Bastards in The U.S. press.

Think Dan Rather.

53 posted on 06/20/2006 10:28:14 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
""The hardest thing is not necessarily killing someone or shooting someone; it's not killing someone or shooting someone when you're angry," said Paul Rieckhoff of the Iraqi Veterans Campaign."

But of course! It's much more civil to cool off first -- and then drop a couple of A-bombs and fire-bomb an entire city. You know, like we did to end WWII.

/s

If we were justified on a macro scale in Japan and Germany, then we are just as justified in Haditha or any other terrorist-infested area on the micro scale. I see no difference except in the numbers. The goal is the same. Demoralize the enemy, end the war as quickly as possible and save lives -- especially the lives of our troops.

Warn the residents, then level the battlefield -- literally.

54 posted on 06/20/2006 10:28:26 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: blackbart.223

Blair and Bush have invested everything in creating a stable democratic Iraq....I would like to see that happen....I fear that for it to happen would take a real miracle.....this is still just the "phoney war" period...The so called rogue states, Iraq , Iran and N Korea are really proxy/clients doing the old communist bloc's bidding...China/Russia are happy to watch us bleed in our Iraq endevour while they both pile up the cash from oil/cheap exports, waiting for the moment when we are over extended, hoping for a break, and dependant on them for credit, TO MAKE THEIR MOVE. They'll use the Jihadis til then and when they are no longer useful will wipe them out like we should have on 9-12-01. We are being played.


55 posted on 06/20/2006 10:31:24 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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To: OKIEDOC
"Frankly, I don't see how the USA can fight a war with the traitors called reporters now working in the MSM."

Reporters don't win wars. Brave men with weapons do. All the yellow ink in the world won't change that.

56 posted on 06/20/2006 10:33:48 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: torchthemummy
I found it. It was from Jonathan Swift, the author of Gulliver's Travels. The correct form is: "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
57 posted on 06/20/2006 10:34:27 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: smoothsailing
I read the first seven words.

The lawyer for one of the marines..

No more needs to be read. Pathetic.

It's MARINES you BBC mindless twits.

The BBC isn't American. To them, the proper-noun capital-letter Marines would be the Royal Marines. In reverse, a member of the U.S. Marines is a Marine in the American media, and a member of the Royal Marines is a British marine. Theirs is an army, while ours is an Army. It's an old usage convention.

58 posted on 06/20/2006 10:35:33 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: csn vinnie
due entirely to the enemy's strategy of concealing himself in the supposed noncombatant population.

BINGO!!

59 posted on 06/20/2006 10:37:48 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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To: wildcatf4f3
"China/Russia are happy to watch us bleed in our Iraq endevour while they both pile up the cash from oil/cheap exports, waiting for the moment when we are over extended, hoping for a break, and dependant on them for credit.

You don't think we bled even deeper in the previous world wars? You are not looking at the big picture in Iraq because you bought in to the bullshit painted by defeatists. Look at a map of the middle east and get back me to when you figure it out.

60 posted on 06/20/2006 10:42:03 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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