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Is your doctor paid to keep you healthy? Probably not.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 06/17/2006 | Mary Jo Feldstein

Posted on 06/20/2006 6:45:05 AM PDT by newgeezer

Georgia Lewis' feet were so swollen with fluid that she wore sandals throughout the winter. Lewis, a diabetic who lives in Bellefontaine Neighbors, was giving herself five insulin shots a day but still couldn't regulate her blood sugar.

Years after being diagnosed with diabetes, Lewis, 61, had never learned how to manage her disease or shield herself from its most debilitating effects.

Under the traditional Medicare system, it wasn't in her doctors' financial interest to teach her.

But now, as part of a expanding Medicare program that could transform how the nation cares for its elderly, Lewis' doctors will be responsible for the cost if her health problems turn into expensive complications.

Typically, physicians get paid only when their patients receive care, and more complex care often brings bigger paychecks. At the same time, doctors complain that paltry payments for office visits force them to rush through checkups instead of educating patients about their illnesses, medications and healthy living - all of which might lower future medical bills.

It's a system that gives doctors little financial incentive to keep patients well. And, experts say, it might be contributing to dangerous, unnecessary care as well as high medical bills.

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Medicare, the government program that provides health care to 42 million older Americans, is experimenting with paying private insurers a per person rate. It's similar to how health maintenance organizations, or HMOs, work. Under this program, called Medicare Advantage, the fee is used to cover the patient's medical expenses, and the insurer keeps the rest. The hope is that the plans will encourage better management of illness to avoid expensive flare-ups.

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In Lewis' case, the private insurer...was created by a group of St. Louis-area physicians. In theory, the healthier Lewis stays, the bigger the profits for her doctor. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: healthcare; medicaid; medicare
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Doctors not very concerned with their patients' wellness? Who'd a thunk it?
1 posted on 06/20/2006 6:45:09 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: newgeezer

Whether they care or not, Doctors are not trained in "health", they are trained in disease....most don't know more then superficial nutrition and I've never met one who exercises much......


2 posted on 06/20/2006 6:49:03 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: newgeezer

In this day and age, if you're not looking out for your own best interest with a doctor, it's time to find a doctor who will.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 6:49:42 AM PDT by Ptaz (Take Personal Responsibility--it's not fun, but it's the right thing to do.)
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To: newgeezer

lift weights


4 posted on 06/20/2006 6:50:57 AM PDT by larryjohnson
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To: newgeezer
Don't even go there.

Doctors LOSE money on EVERY chronic care Medicare patient if they (the docs) play it straight. COMPLIANCE is a patient's responsibility also.

FREE (and lots of it) information is available to help patients of all ages manage their adult onset diabetes.

FWIW, look at the common condition -- elderly, obese, hypertensive, diabetic -- except for 'elderly' all are chronic illnesses with major life-style contributions.

I cannot 'sit still' and listen to people b!tch about how even after they get free transport to the doc, free ER care when they go into insulin shock, virtually free medicine/ injectibles -- and then COMPLAIN that their doc is only interested in sending them a bill for an office visit.

Oh please.

OK, now I'll actually read the post after ranting. LOL


Be back in a sec ...
5 posted on 06/20/2006 6:51:55 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: newgeezer
Years after being diagnosed with diabetes, Lewis, 61, had never learned how to manage her disease or shield herself from its most debilitating effects.

Guess she can't pick up a book or do a little research on the internet huh?

Personal responsibility? Who me, I'm a patient. It's the doctors, nurses, dentists, paramedics problem, not MINE. /sarc.
6 posted on 06/20/2006 6:52:54 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: newgeezer
The very same principal applies to lawyers.

They are not paid to have their clients settle amicably. take a divorce, for example. If they can get the 2 sides fighting, the per hour rate skyrockets.
7 posted on 06/20/2006 6:53:10 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: newgeezer

It's just hard for me to imagine this. My husband was diagnosed with diabetes in January. We've been swarmed with info from lots of different sources. First of all, his doctor's office has several nurse practictioners who instruct patients with certain illnesses, diabetes being one of them. We weren't convinced by all she told us, so we went looking on our own. After my husband received his first diabetic medication, we received info from the drug company, with lots of additional resources. Then we've been reading up on our own. Yes, we did take our own initiative, but we also received help from "the system." Lots of it.


8 posted on 06/20/2006 6:53:10 AM PDT by twigs
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To: newgeezer

I work for the state medicaid system here in texas, and we get complaints at least (just on my calls) about 12 a day and I take on average 150 calls in an 8 hour period. That is way too many. The doctor refuses to give care or the doctor will tell them they sent authorization for a surgical procedure when they know full well that they did not. It is an ongoing cycle that the doctors find amusing and they keep doing it because medicaid only pays an allowable amount for each procedure that is rendered to the client. If they bill 150 dollars for a office visit and the state only say 32 bucks that is payment in full and they lose that money. The doctors know this when they sign up and contract with medicaid, but we have some numbskull doctors and this perpetual cylce keeps on going.


9 posted on 06/20/2006 6:55:19 AM PDT by ziggy_dlo (DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS AND ALL OTHER THIRD WORLD LOVING LIBERALS!!!)
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To: newgeezer
Drs don't want you to die BUT
they don't want you to get 100% well either
10 posted on 06/20/2006 6:56:41 AM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: NorCalRepub

My Hubby is a Doc, is very diet conscious and works out 3-4 times a week with weight lifting too! but then again, he is an EM Doc!


11 posted on 06/20/2006 6:57:32 AM PDT by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: twigs

Your husband is on Medicare?

Based on the prescriptions we receive, Blue Cross Blue Shield sends us lots of information about preventive care, etc. But, BCBS is not Medicare.

I'm guessing Georgia Lewis (in the article) may have no idea what's available to help her help herself. She may be operating under a false assumption that, if there was anything she could do, her doctor would naturally be telling her about it.


12 posted on 06/20/2006 6:59:01 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: newgeezer

No. But even the mail-based medicine delivery system sent us lots of info when he ordered his first diabetic medicine. This woman needs to pick herself up and trot over to a library or bookstore. And she needs to stop whining.


13 posted on 06/20/2006 7:03:52 AM PDT by twigs
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To: newgeezer

This story is saying that a Doctor never gave this woman a diet? Never told her not to eat sugary foods? Never told her to check her blood sugar? I dont believe that.

More likely she prefers to not change her life style by diet and following her doctors orders.


14 posted on 06/20/2006 7:07:06 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: newgeezer

Could some kind soul explain to me, an Englishman, the difference between Medicare and something like the National Health Service here in the UK?

Who pays for Medicare and who is elligible to receive it? What types of care are covered and which aren't?

Cheers.


15 posted on 06/20/2006 7:07:39 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: Kozak

yes we have that problem to. They always call to whine about how medicaid will not pay for some insulin strips and they cry because the doctor did not want to see them.
It is the clients responsibilty to take care of their health when possible, but when you have client's taking their children to the hosital or the doctor because my head hurts (take some aspirin) my nose is stuffy (get some decongestants) my nose is running (get some dimetapp and some kleenex and wipe your nose). It is pitiful. What I see when someone calls me and says that that they do not have 3 dollars to get some antibiotics but you can hear tyhem in the background ordering a big mac and fries from Mcdonalds. Or one person told me "I am tired of my kids. Does medicaid pay for me to go on a vacation and to send my kids to the ymca while I am gone?"
Go figure!


16 posted on 06/20/2006 7:07:58 AM PDT by ziggy_dlo (The GOV't is a crime organization. So is the FBI, the CIA, the liberals, the....... well DUH!!!)
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To: newgeezer
Just like the HMO's, the "wellness" programs look good on paper, get paid to treat people that aren't sick and reap the benefits. The problems come when someone does get sick and needs expensive treatments and tests, then the doctors don't want to part with that cash to order the tests and treatments.

Think of it this way....You could start a program much the same way for auto repairs and maintenance, you would do great until the cars started getting old and worn out, then the scheme doesn't work very well.

By the time people get on Medicare, they are already old and worn out.
17 posted on 06/20/2006 7:12:07 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: Vectorian
Who pays for Medicare

Taxpayers.

and who is elligible to receive it?

The elderly. (We also have Medicaid for the poor.)

What types of care are covered and which aren't?

As far as I know, just about everything except elective procedures (e.g. breast enlargement). Recently, Congress added prescription drug coverage to Medicare.

Someone else can probably better answer your last question.

18 posted on 06/20/2006 7:13:21 AM PDT by newgeezer
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I think the doctors hands are tied by the HMOs. Health care is now a managed business. From what I have heard doctors are required to see so many patients a day, spend 10 minutes or less with a patient.

My advice is to try and stay healthy.

19 posted on 06/20/2006 7:13:34 AM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: newgeezer

I'll reserve my opinion on this until I hear what Terri Schiavo has to say about it.


20 posted on 06/20/2006 7:29:27 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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