[Tenacious 1]

It is difficult enough to understand the Holy Trinity. What educational value does re-naming it have?

Our Christian Churches in every sect needs some stronger leadership. The week-kneed leaders of our faith are patsies that seek diversity and inclusion via relaxing the teachings of the church, the teachings of Christ.

[alicewonders]

Our Christian Churches in every sect needs some stronger leadership.

Amen! It's only Christians who are to blame when this kind of thing is happening to so many Christian denominations. We get the government, schools & churches we deserve.

[linda_22003]

And just think of all the lines in hymns that won't rhyme any more!

[srmorton]

The best explanation I have ever heard about the Trinity is based on the three states of matter. Water is a good example because we are all familiar with water at RT (liquid), ice (solid), and steam (gas). These three states of water look different and have different properties, but they are all forms of water and can be converted from one to the other simply by changing the temperature. In a similar way, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one and the same God, just in different forms. Since I have taught Chemistry for over 20 years, I wish that I could claim credit for thinking of this myself, but I have to give credit to a former Associate Pastor.

BTW, my father was a Presbyterian minister for almost 30 years in NC. He retired in 1975 and died in 1978, but I am sure that he is rolling over in his grave now at what is going on in the PCUSA. The local church member does not always know what is happening in the denomination at large, but I realized that the PCUSA had left me almost 20 years ago when GHW Bush was running against Dukakis. I received a copy of "The Presbyterian Survey" which had both of the platforms of the candidates, as well as the position of the PCUSA on the same issues. The positions of Dukakis and the PCUSA were nearly identical! I decided that, although I had been brought up in that denomination, I could no longer support it. I am now a Methodist, a denomination which receives quite a bit of criticism on this blog, but which is, in the south at least, still pretty conservative. At least, we still have "Onward Christian Soldiers" and "Faith of Our Fathers" in the Methodist hymnal!

[TypeZoNegative]

The trinity isn't that hard to understand. Just think of it in this illustration: A block of ice on a frying pan.

The water from the block of ice is from the same water that made up the block of ice, but can't be called "ice". It's just water. The steam from the ice is also water, but it can't be called "ice".

My previous religion (JW's) didn't explain that concept of the Trinity to me, and for the longest time, I couldn't get the concept of why so many Christians could believe in something so "confusing".

[franky]

Something with horns is having a field day.

[Constantine XIII]

Leadership isn't the biggest issue. These types wouldn't be anywhere near the levers of power if the individual believers, all of the members of the body of Christ, were doing their proper jobs.

If each of us worked as hard propounding the scriptures as we did working on our jobs, excercising, or watching tv, this wouldn't be happening.

I'm guilty of that myself. It's something we ALL need to work and pray about.