To: Graybeard58
Justice measured with mercy.
This will be interesting to follow.
2 posted on
06/19/2006 7:25:45 PM PDT by
Thumper1960
(Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
To: Graybeard58
Ah, yeah. I remember this story. Aitken plead no contest? Good, then there is no practical reason to keep Hahn in play.
3 posted on
06/19/2006 7:28:21 PM PDT by
Gordongekko909
(I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
To: Graybeard58
if there is ever a reason for a "do-over" on the third strike, this is it.
I hope it's a true turning point for him.
5 posted on
06/19/2006 7:30:13 PM PDT by
justche
(Let me make something perfectly clear. I never explain myself - Mary Poppins)
To: LucyT
one we've talked about....
6 posted on
06/19/2006 7:30:53 PM PDT by
justche
(Let me make something perfectly clear. I never explain myself - Mary Poppins)
To: Graybeard58
This case might prompt a fine-tuning of the third-strike law. In general, I approve of such laws, but I think the sentences from the third strike may need to be tempered to fit.
For example, one proposed approach is to make the sentence a REPEAT of all the full sentences of all the crimes to date, instead of life. If you did 5 years for robbery, 5 for grand theft, and you get picked up for shoplifting a candy bar, your third strike nets you the shoplifting time, PLUS a repeat of the prior ten years - the theory being that they didn't "take" the first time, so do 'em again.
To: Graybeard58
Criminals have code. You can go to jail for being a thief, a drug dealer, assault and battery, cop killer, etc but do not molest children.
Frankly this guy is a lowlife who steals from other people and cannot seem to get it that it's wrong. I don't see any reason to give him life but ten years is about right.
9 posted on
06/19/2006 7:34:19 PM PDT by
misterrob
To: Graybeard58
I was living at a house that got burgled.
It is a rotten feeling coming home and seeing all your belongings (except the stolen items) dumped out on the floor of every room.
I say let him rot -- unless the Governor wants to pardon him on account of this one good act.
As KEEPING for three strikes - heck yeah!
11 posted on
06/19/2006 7:36:16 PM PDT by
BenLurkin
("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
To: Graybeard58
Just send him to a better prison for his LIFE term.
12 posted on
06/19/2006 7:40:50 PM PDT by
Pukin Dog
(Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
To: Graybeard58; SampleMan
Sorry, no sympathy for Hahn, regardless what he did.
Throw him in a deep, dark, dank cell.
To: Graybeard58
I'm puzzled by the nonchalant attitude toward residential burglary. Perhaps those who find it no big deal have never suffered one.
In addition, I personally have known of two people who were "just burglars" until one of them came across a resident who was at home during one robbery and killed him and the other killed a child and injured many in a car accident when he fled from the police. Burglary is a serious crime, and this defense attorney's ridiculous statement that this guy is not a career criminal demonstrates once again the idiocy in the judicial system that frustrates voters so much that they vote for three strikes laws. The criminals who commit the small crimes many times become the ones who commit the more serious crimes. Three felonies equals being a career criminal, as far as this voter is concerned.
15 posted on
06/19/2006 8:04:25 PM PDT by
djreece
("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
To: Graybeard58
Why should he receive leniency for reacting in a way that should just be natural. Who in their right mind would not immediately turn over pictures of an adult molesting a child? Are we so jaded that we must reward someone for doing their human duty?
16 posted on
06/19/2006 8:51:03 PM PDT by
peggybac
(Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
To: Graybeard58
Life seems too harsh for this guy Hahn considering he literally saved that little girls life, and spared many other children from the horrible abuse they surely would have suffered at that sickos hands if he hadn't been caught because of those pictures. That should be taken into consideration also, it isn't just that one girl he saved. This guy WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY abused other children. All pedophiles are multiple offenders. The only ones that don't abuse multiple children are the ones who are caught or killed after the first offense. That's a fact.
I'm pretty much a hard nose when it comes to criminals; always been for the death penalty when it's clear the person did it, BIG supporter of that Sherrif in Arizona who keeps cons in tents, don't like early parole, etc. But this guy, I don't know. I don't know that it's not a bad idea to give him one break, telling him that this won't be counted as his third strike, and putting him back in rehab one last time, and make it clear to him that if he breaks the law one more time, if he steals so much as a fork from a restaurant, that's strike three and he's done, for life without parole. I can see doing that, considering the fact he's saved many children the life long scars of being molested. I can see doing that.
Only reason I consider that is because he never physically hurt anyone in any of his crimes. That makes a big difference with me in just this one case. If he had ever clocked some old lady on the head or beat up some guy and his kids and then robbed him, I wouldn't be for cutting him a break.
17 posted on
06/19/2006 8:52:15 PM PDT by
TexasPatriot8
(You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
To: Graybeard58
The district attorney's office has indicated that Hahn's help in convicting Aitken may be a mitigating factor in his case and has asked his lawyer to submit it for consideration. I'd say that if anyone deserves a break from the three-strikes rule, it is this guy. Give him a few years in jail for the burglaries, then put him through rehab. But make sure he knows that this is a one-time offer and that if he messes up again, he is going away for life.
To: Graybeard58
Simple solution: give him life.
The Governor can pardon him if the guy's a saint.
23 posted on
06/19/2006 9:34:55 PM PDT by
LibertarianInExile
('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
To: Graybeard58
I'd want to cut him a one-time break. He gave up a truly heinous monster.
24 posted on
06/19/2006 9:36:36 PM PDT by
newzjunkey
(Support Arnold-McClintock or embrace higher taxes with Angelides.)
To: Graybeard58
Isn't this what pardons are for?
To: Graybeard58
Hard call, with burglary and drugs there is always a serious possibility someone could die, and he can't control himself. He did protect a child, maybe 5 years of mandatory rehab and vocational training. Must complete, have job and be clean to be considered for parole. Must stay that way forever.
30 posted on
06/19/2006 10:02:27 PM PDT by
Navy Patriot
(Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
To: Graybeard58
I say turn the third-strike into a "foul ball".
Not a get-out-of-jail-free card, but definitely give some incentive for someone to assist in such a manner on future similar instances... Lighter sentence perhaps, with the understanding that an additional infraction is an automatic "out".
To: Graybeard58; Extremely Extreme Extremist
But Hahn, who was later arrested for a burglary spree after he turned in the photos, is facing a prison term that could be longer than Aitken's. So what is the problem? It is that Aitken will see the light of day again. Pedophiles should get life.
To: Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; Calpernia
36 posted on
06/20/2006 6:53:32 AM PDT by
nw_arizona_granny
(Lord ,when we are wrong,make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with.)
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