Deadly price paid for Humvee armor used to protect soldiers

Dayton Daily News ^ | 11 June 2006 | Russell Carollo, Mike Wagner

[Cannoneer No. 4]

Remember al the bitiching and pissing and moaning about our troops not having enough armored vehicles? Well, now they got 'em, and the whiners still aren't happy.

[Txsleuth]

I have heard Dem Congressweinies STILL griping about not enough uparmored Humvees just last week.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

Armor on Iraq Humvees Is Linked to Deadly Rollovers

[marron]

Its never a perfect world.

But the problem isn't having or not having armor; its the fact that people are trying to kill you. Thats the problem.

Until that problem is solved, I think I would risk having the armor, and just drive a little more carefully. You can control how you drive, you can't so easily control when the next ambush is coming.

[sully777]

Reminds me, I plan to read Catch 22 this summer.

[AmericaUnited]

"Hmmm...Gee, with the added armor there is a greater chance of my HumVee rolling over. Well, that settles it. I'll just take the armor off and let RPG's crash right through the body. No wait..."

[Popman]

Well, now they got 'em, and the whiners still aren't happy.

Even if our troops have shields on their equipment like on "Star Trek Enterprise" some people would still be bitching.

[AndrewC]

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

[Calusa]

Remember al the bitiching and pissing and moaning about our troops not having enough armored vehicles? Well, now they got 'em, and the whiners still aren't happy.

Drove my chevy to the levy, but the levy was gone.

They called for DHS ,then FEMA got drowned when the levy busted. We need a leader who'll lay down the law. What's Newt doing these days.

[MrCalm]

Have been over here for eight months now fixing vehicles, and the last couple of months doing armor upgrades like...
"...A June 2006 fact sheet from the Army outlines a number of safety programs initiated by the service, including "a gunner's restraint system, an improved seat restraint belt, single movement combat locks, internal vehicle communications and a fire suppression system for the crew and cargo compartments."
Funny, everyday when the boys drop them off for these kits and additional armor, I hear now of them worrying about rolling over

[nascarnation]

beat me to it.
I was amazed about the Norway guys who don't wear helmets too....

[RS]

"The law of unintended consequences strikes again."

EXACTLY ... this "pimp my ride" attitude has kept them from getting the REAL armor they need. HumVee's were never designed for this use.

If they need armored vehicles, get them to them - not an expensive overgrown jeep.

[coconutt2000]

Even if our troops have shields on their equipment like on "Star Trek Enterprise" some people would still be bitching.

Yes, they'd be bitching about the miniature anti-matter/nuclear reactor under the hood.

[Popman]

Yes, they'd be bitching about the miniature anti-matter/nuclear reactor under the hood.

Keep it quiet. Haliburton corp is working on it.

[Gondring]

If they need armored vehicles, get them to them - not an expensive overgrown jeep.

Exactly! This is the idiocy that hamstrings a military!

Can you imagine if OSHA had any say in it?

[Cannoneer No. 4]

[RS]

Any word on the price ( including the double-undercoating ) ?

[jeremiah]

Leaflet the triangle of death, check all coming out for ID and take their weapons, then firebomb the area.

[mad_as_he$$]

I have a friend of a friend who is in IED disposal. They drive one of those beasts and it has saved their bacon at least three times. Two IED's directly under the vehicle and a 7.62 round splatted on the windshield dead center the drivers forehead. They walked away from all three and the vehicle only had minor damage.

[oust the louse]

http://www.forceprotectioninc.com/

Not only is this a nice stock to own,it saves lives in the meantime. They are growing because of orders to hopefully eliminate the humvee that is out there now.