Posted on 06/19/2006 1:52:12 PM PDT by sergey1973
"Nope, Gary. Politkovskaya traveled to Chechnya on a number of times and interviewed many locals there. The problem is that Politkovskaya put emotions and revulsion to the cruelties of Chechen war above everything else. She does not take into account in her reports what a threat it will be if Islamists emerge victorious in Chechnya and N. Caucasus for Russian security (and indeed for the Western Civilization survival), and what reprecussions could be if Jihadists will succeed in creating "Islamic caliphate" in Russia's strategic region of North Caucasus."
Politkovskaya is a propagandist, not a journalist. Believing her would be the same as believing Cindy Sheehan when she says that the majority of families with loved ones lost in the War on Terror support her point of view.
"Sadulayev, however, is credited with persuading warlord Shamil Basayev not to carry out any major terrorist attacks since Beslan."
Poppycock.
Good news from another front in the war on terror.
Congratulations to Russia for hunting this animal down.
I am sincerely glad every time a jihadi is killed. After Beslan there can be no forgiveness for the Chechens, they are the same as Al Queda, the Palis are the same too. The Muslims target children and young people. They do it because they indeed want to wipe out any non-islamic civilization.
Yup
Was he behind or involved in the Beslan massacre in any way?
I don't have the info whether Sadulayev was involved in Beslan directly. However, he was surely one of the top Jihadists in the region. Here is the info published on ABC site.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2087820
"Sadulayev succeeded Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov, who was killed by Russian forces last year. He had promoted efforts to spread the rebel movement beyond Chechnya's borders and attack Russian forces across the poverty-stricken and corruption-gripped south. "
"Ekho Moskvy radio said Russian prosecutors suspect he organized the 2001 kidnapping of American Kenneth Gluck, who was abducted while working in southern Russia for the aid group Doctors Without Borders. Gluck, of New York, was freed after 25 days."
"The radio station also said Maskhadov had called Sadulayev the co-organizer of a 2004 raid on police and security installations in the Russian republic of Ingushetia, which killed some 90 people. "
"Sadulayev was relatively unknown outside rebel circles. He had served as a judge of the Chechen rebels' Shariat committee an extension of the Islamic court established under Maskhadov when he was Chechnya's elected president in the 1990s "
eleni, Gary.
With all due respect, the brutalizing of locals by the Federal forces and local security is well-documented by a number of observers--not just Politkovskaya or Soros backed groups. It's wrong to brutalize the entire population. It's wrong to engage in revenge random kidnappings of locals whenever insurgents strike. It's wrong to put the security of Chechnya in the hands of the thugs like Ramzan Kadyrov who is involved in a number of criminal activities ranging from kidnappings to shady oil deals.
I'm not an idealist and realize that Islamist insurgency in Chechnya and the rest of N. Caucasus could not have happened without some public support among the locals, but the Federal Authorities have a responsibility to defend the laws of the country--not to massively contribute to their violations.
Here I strongly disagree. I do understand what soldiers are going through facing Muslim thugs and the fact that many Muslim non-combatants in both Iraq and Chechnya support these insurgents which makes them also culpable for the atrocities committed by insurgents. The story of two American soldiers kidnapped and grizzly murdered by Islamic thugs in Iraq is further proof that Islamists are completely out of the laws of civilized behavior. I have to state it clearer in my previous posts, but I certainly do understand and appreciate what US military is doing in Iraq. I also fully support the right of Russia to crush Islamic insurgency in Chechnya and N. Caucasus because Islamists gaining any more foothold anywhere are mortal threat for non-Muslims even if Muslims claim to be fighting only for "independence".
"I think it needs to be said, unlike the Muslims, we do not seek to butcher or enslave their people. That said, it is extremely difficult to fight by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules and go by the Geneva Convention when the enemy ignores all standards of civilized behavior."
That's very good point. When one side violates standards of more or less civilized warfare, the other side can certainly violate them too. Nevertheless, the question is how far this violation should go ? Should Russian leadership support local paramilitary thugs like Ramzan Kadyrov who is involved in kidnappings for ransom, torture, murder and the host other criminal activities ? Should revenge kidnappings and murder of locals occur whenever insurgents strike ? It's got to be better way to handle those who support insurgency without being directly involved in it. I read on-line suggestions from professional military advisors proposition to declare Chechnya under martial law with heavy curfews, etc. For all these years, Chechnya was not under Martial law and there was no set of sensible procedures how to handle the population that support insurgency. Are there alternatives, like depriving of citizenship and expelling from Russian Federation those who support insurgency in Chechnya and elsewhere ? Or declaring Chechnya closed military zone and relocating the entire population in the refugee centers (without Stalinist deportation of course) ? I do perfectly understand what unprofessional conscripts are facing and I do appreciate the bravery of soldiers fighting treacherous and thuggish Islamists and sending Islamists to Allah. My question is how to avoid going too far in breaking the norms (when it's necessary to win the war) to avoid becoming equal with Muslim thugs.
"Muslims have brought this on themselves by butchering children and other innocents and doing for it for hundreds of years...and they are the only ones who can stop it."
I understand your point very well and I can certainly agree that Muslim civilians who support Muslim terror-insurgents in Iraq, Chechnya or elsewhere (like giving them shelter)are also culpable for the thuggery these insurgents committ.
However, the question is to find a decent alternative in dealing with populations that support Islamic insurgency without resorting to a complete savagery.
August 6 and 9, 1945----was what happened then "complete savagery"? I do not think so.
What about you?
"August 6 and 9, 1945----was what happened then "complete savagery"? I do not think so.
What about you? "
I don't think so either. It was very brutal, but necessary way to end the war with the fanatical Imperial Japan. Also there were firebombing of Dresden and other German cities and towns by British and American Air Forces. It was also brutal, but it was also necessary to break the willpower of Nazi Germany to fight. After all, the allies fought not just Hitler and his henchmen but the majority of Germans too since most of Germans supported Hitler. Sad but true.
What my objections are about Chechnya are that certain conducts, like revenge kidnappings and murder at random of locals (although most of them are supporters of insurgency) whenever insurgency strikes, completely corrupts the morale of security forces. I believe there should be alternative, like martial law with clear guidelines. I agree I could not understand everything, but there should be some standards even when facing barbaric populations.
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