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Three US carrier strike groups steam in formation in Pacific Ocean (Awesome photo)
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 6/19/06

Posted on 06/19/2006 12:49:10 PM PDT by dead

The USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Kitty Hawk and USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike
groups steam in formation during a joint photo exercise (PHOTOEX) in preparation
for Valiant Shield 2006 on Sunday, June 18, 2006, in the Pacific Ocean. The
PHOTOEX featured 14 ships as well as 17 aircraft from Air Force, Navy, and
Marine Corp including a B2 bomber. The Kitty Hawk Carrier Strike Group is
currently participating in Valiant Shield 2006, the largest joint exercise in recent
history. Held in the Guam operating area beginning June 19-23, the exercise
involves 28 Naval vessels including three carrier strike groups, more than 300
aircraft and more than 20,000 service members from the Navy, Air Force, Marine
Corps, and Coast Guard. (AP Photo/U.S. Navy, Jarod Hodge) Email Photo Print Photo


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: guam; gwot; jointexercises; nationaldefense; northkorea; shipmovement; usaf; usn; ussabrahamlincoln; usskittyhawk; ussronaldreagan; valiantshield
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To: Gorjus
Re: It was my understanding that as they abandoned, they were trying to open scuttles so that she'd go down more quickly.

As far as I can recall, I have never heard that in regard to the sinking of the Yorktown. When the Japanese torpedoes hit both the carrier and the destroyer by her side, the repair crews were having some success in righting the flattop's list. With the new damage and the quick breakup and sinking of the Hammann, the men of the repair crew were ordered to abandon ship, not go down deeper into the ship to open scuttles...

The source I used here on FR was just one of many I could quote that would say the Yorktown was sunk by a combination of Japanese aircraft and the later torpedoes of I-168.

I understand you wanted to point out that large carriers are not that easy to sink. Last year the US Navy used the USS America as a target to see how much damage a large carrier could take before sinking. Admittedly, a empty hulk is not the same as a fully armed and manned carrier. The results are classified, but anyone with a lick of sense would admit if it floats, it can be sunk.

I just hope and pray we don't get too arrogant and put our carriers in harms way from over confidence...

161 posted on 06/20/2006 5:29:09 AM PDT by Bender2 (Gad! The inmates have control... And I'm trying to quit smoking!)
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To: Bender2
...if it floats, it can be sunk.

Of course.

It's interesting that a 'show of force' has been a Navy mission since navies first arose. In some cases, placing the ship in harm's way is the mission, and a very effective one. But by definition overconfidence is wrong, and I share your hope that our leaders get the balance right.

As the USS Cole shows, we don't always.
162 posted on 06/20/2006 6:22:09 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Alter Kaker
..."if the Argentine's exocets had worked properly, the Brits would have been defeated."

Doubtful. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher had already indicated that she was prepared to nuke Argentina if necessary.

Ironically, her rattling of the UK nuclear sabre was reportedly to then-French President Francois Mitterand, demanding that France hand over the deactivate codes for the French-built exocets, because the UK was not about to tolerate any more of their ships being hit as was the Sheffield.

Argentina never had a prayer, don't kid yourself otherwise my FRiend. ;)
163 posted on 06/20/2006 5:17:30 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Grim

Thanks. It's my new background.


164 posted on 06/20/2006 5:19:07 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: dead

I think Korea's missles are just V1 and V2 rockets with a longer range. Any word on a guidance system other than "point and hope"??


165 posted on 06/20/2006 7:22:08 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Yo-Yo
So which carrier launched the B-2 in the photo?

None of them?

166 posted on 06/20/2006 7:37:15 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Brad's Gramma

167 posted on 06/20/2006 9:23:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Caption for the above photo

In this photo released by the U.S. Navy, three Arleigh
Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, the USS McCampbell
(DDG 85), USS Lassen (DDG 82) and USS Shoup (DDG 86)
steam in formation during a photo exercise for Valiant Shield
in the Pacific Ocean. Valiant Shield focuses on integrated
joint training among U.S. military forces.


168 posted on 06/20/2006 9:41:57 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

You really MUST stop this. I've now bought 7 monitors because I can't decide which one to use....

:)


169 posted on 06/20/2006 10:11:02 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Get right with God....eternity is a long time.....)
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To: Brad's Gramma


170 posted on 06/20/2006 10:18:43 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: omega4412

"The terrorists have won the toss and have elected to receive."

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I love that!!
I like your tagline, too.


171 posted on 06/22/2006 7:45:40 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: July 4th

Awesome pic, but maybe it isn't the safest thing for the Navy to have this many assets so close together?

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I know zip about military matters and protocols, but I am confident that our guys have all the contingencies covered. Remember, we don't have Clinton's DOD anymore.


172 posted on 06/22/2006 7:48:08 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: dead

Awesome pics ... thanks for the thread.


173 posted on 06/22/2006 7:53:46 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ( Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race)
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To: Doohickey

"Joint" means one thing if you were in the military, and quite another if you're Libertarian.

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LOL


174 posted on 06/22/2006 7:54:38 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Excellent! I spent almost my entire Navy career on carriers. Send along a big Bravo Zulu to your son from a old Navy Chief.


175 posted on 06/22/2006 7:59:26 AM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: dead
There isn't another country on the planet that can claim to have this many of these. Let alone one.


176 posted on 06/22/2006 8:11:35 AM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: hc87
More like 30.5 or 31 knots for the carriers. - Officially. shhhhhhhhhhh!
177 posted on 06/22/2006 8:18:58 AM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: Bigg Red

I forget who came up with that line about the terrorists. The B-52 picture is at http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/b-52_11.jpg


178 posted on 06/22/2006 8:25:01 AM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London)
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To: Paco
That's exactly what I was thinking. NK is supposed to test fire a missile...what if they armed it and launched it at the battle group? Not much of a chance they'd do that, but...why give them such a fat, juicy target?

These ships are only this close for the photo shoots. In reality chances are they would be spread out so much that it is likely no two ships would have visual contact with one another. They could cover many thousands of square nautical miles, it'd take a sh!tload of nukes to take them out.

179 posted on 06/22/2006 8:26:12 AM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: SunTzuWu

"I don't have a problem with that. In fact I'd rather that most of my taxes go to the military, instead of "social programs"."

Amen, that's the only constitutional use of our public money anyway.


180 posted on 06/22/2006 8:32:15 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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