[kellynla]

"Mr. Fonte said the 39 conservatives -- all regular commentators on radio and TV -- plan to push their case for enforcement-first over the nation's airwaves and the Internet."

[kellynla]

ping

[BenLurkin]

Bush to base: "No."

[MNJohnnie]

Base To Continual Bush Bashers, find a new topic to whine about. We are sick of this continual whining about a dead issue. In case you were all squealing too loud to hear it, the Republican House leadership all ready said this is DOA.

[brytlea]

Here's what I don't get. If they did enforcement first, showed an ability to shut down the border pretty tight, and shut up about amnesty, there is a good liklihood that people would get less strident about letting some of the illegals here now stay (I wouldn't like it, but I'm probably not the majority in that). So, why is the White House insisting on doing it the stupid way?
susie

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

The President is being hard-headed on this issue.

[siznartuf]

BUSH TO BASE: I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

[xzins]

Returning to the illegal discussion is a loser for the president. He needs to keep the focus on the economy and the war.

Someone recently offered a compromise I thought was interesting.

A red card for those who've had a green card for X years provided they pass all background checks.

It enables them to stay and work, but it must be renewed regularly, and it prevents them from applying for US citizenship from within the US. The only way they can apply for citizenship is if they choose to return to their country of origin, give up their red card, and make normal immigration application.

[Popocatapetl]

More and more I'm agreeing with those who say, "And then what?" What are things going to be like in 10-20 years. Every bit of this anti-immigration argument is right here, right now, and ignores the future.

1) The Mexican birthrate has dropped to 2.3 kids per family. In short order, this will turn the illegal flow from a flood to a trickle, without anybody doing anything.

2) http://www.nascocorridor.com/ This is a picture of what is being planned--an ultra trade route that will re-create America's heartland--red States--as the artery for massive trade not just with Canada, but with all of central and South America. Trillion of dollars flowing into the US economy.

3) The vast majority of Mexicans that enter the US have assimilated faster than ANY other national immigrant group or race. They are almost 10% of the US military. And unlike the images seen from LA, in Phoenix, they are completely integrated and become middle-class in short order. There is an entire county in Arkansas that is majority hispanic--almost all employees of Tyson Foods.

The variation here between productive and valuable and worthless and criminal is enormous. And while I am all for building the wall ASAP and imprisoning and deporting criminals, I cannot abide throwing out millions of hard-working, middle class Americans, many of whose children no longer even speak Spanish.

[Soul Seeker]

Good.

We need every voice out there shoving back...hard...on this in case they get any suicidal thoughts of slipping this through the "shadows" of the night lesgislative votes.

Oh, and for those hypeventialating that you haven't managed to silence our voices on this? Invest in a paper bag. If we succeed not only will America benefit, but so with the Republicans and this President won't have this disaster pegged to his legacy. What you would have us accept would result in just what you fear, loss of Republican power and a disastrous legacy for him.

Just remember this. You take joy in claiming "Alito and Roberts" as accomplishments while knocking down O'Connor and Kennedy. But Bush might well have had his "kennedy and O'Connor" if we hadn't denied Miers. I know, some of you still think she'd have been "super" though nothing in her record or even questionaire she was given a do-over for indicate that to be so.

same thing here. Reagan signing amnesty was a mistake, we're not going to make a worse one now voluntarily. Though at least he enforced the laws when it was passed, This President has a reluntance to enforce the ones already on the books.

[siznartuf]

President Fox: Deje a mi gente en(let my people in).

President Bush: Oí eso(I heard that!).

[Paperdoll]

>Top Conservatives have written President Bush<

Not to speak of the repeated emails to the White House by the grassroots of America, demanding the same thing.

[tkathy]

The decision on immigration is too important to leave to the politicians who have enormous pressures on them.

The decision belongs to the people.

The people MUST vote on this.

IMO Bush should halt all immigration and all citizenship, and call for a nation wide referendum.

An issue this important should not be demagogued by politicians for political advantage.

[Paperdoll]

In case anyone wants to add their voice to the chorus, email your wishes to president@whitehouse.gov. - and good luck!

[RJL]

"Border and interior enforcement must be funded, operational, implemented and proven successful and only then can we debate the status of current illegal immigrants or the need for new guest-worker programs," 39 conservative leaders write in the letter, to be released today.

Excellent!

[onedoug]

zzzzzzzzzzz.....

[DoctorMichael]

~See my Tagline~

[ckilmer]

The trouble is that no one quite sees that the very best thing we could do for Mexico is to send their now well trained citizens home.

Suddenly Mexico would have a skilled workforce who knew something about how a world class country worked.

Think these folk would propel a great leap forward for Mexico?

I do.

Basically the ruling class in Mexico will not change of its own volition--even if those changes were in its own interest. But it can be forced to change.

The Mexicans in the USA have had the picture of what a well run country looks like tatooed on the back of their eyeballs. And they'll have an idea of how to get there. Send them back to Mexico and they'll get a revolution in Mexico that'll do that country some good.

The shock troops for that would be the 12 million repatriated Mexican citizens. Having seen what a well run country looks like they would not want to be stuffed back in the old wineskin.

There's something more.

I follow water desalination research pretty closely. While water desalination costs have dropped to about a third of what they were 15 years ago--the rate at which prices will drop over the next seven years will accelerate considerably. imo in even the next five years we will see desalination costs drop to 1/10th of today's costs. Or even faster than the fall the 3/4 fall that the LLNL researchers suggest.

Basically, the foundations are being laid today to make it economically feasable to to turn all the world's deserts green. (The proper way to look at this is to recall that cars, tv's and computers were at first rich men's toys but when prices came down they changed the world. Desalinised water is still relatively speaking -- a rich man's toy. But when the price drops sufficiently--desalinised water will change the world--because most deserts are right beside the ocean. Pumping the water 1000 miles inland will require that the scientists collapse the cost cracking out hydrogen from water. I think that this nut will be cracked sooner than desalination.)

imho cheap desalinised water will do for the republicans (if they can get this on their agenda or even the democrats if the pubbies drop the ball) what the great dam building projects & the tva of the 1930's & 40's did for democrats because 1/3 of the US is deserts. We would increase the habitable size of the USA by 1/3.

Dirt cheap desalinised water will also do things like make it possible to double the habitable size of Mexico.

And desalinated water in tandem with repatriation of now skilled Mexican citizens would propel Mexico into being a world class country.

Oh and one last thing. Mexico will need a stronger dose of of the Peruvian Hernando Desoto ideas on Property http://www.ild.org.pe/home.htm

[MNJohnnie]

Deal with reality here for 10 seconds for once instead of just squealing the same nonsense over and over. The House Republicans are holding hearings on the bill. The House is NOT going to consider it prior to their August Recess. They are NOT going to do anything so controversial BEFORE the elections. They are going to be too busy finishing up next year's budget and campaigning. THEN after the election they are not going to have time to wrap it up. THEN, January 2007 and new Congress with NEW Republican Leadership in the US Senate(since Frist is retiring) and the McCain/Kennedy Bill has DIED in Conference. So we all start from scratch in Jan.

Now let us address the stupidity of supposedly "Conservatives" spending ALL their time shooting at their own side. Take Mike Savage, an absolute Political Imbecilic no matter what he squeal at you every day.

When a Talking Head spends all their time shooting at what is supposedly their own side, you should KNOW why their agenda items go no where. Maybe it has something to do with this fanatic need to do the Democrats PR work for them some mythically "Conservatives" demonstrate day in and day out. Firing 100% of the time at our OWN side does ONLY one thing. It makes the Screamers active political allies of the Democrat Party.

Sorry but this behavior by supposedly "Conservative" is childish and irrational. Either they are all too dumb to realize what the logical consequences of their actions are or they just do not care. Either way this daily temper tantrum being thrown by supposedly "Conservative" people is stupid. They are actively trying to throw a way a glass 60% full of Conservative values to pour themselves a glass 100% full of Leftist poison. Sorry but real adults understand you do NOT get only 100% of what you want. Everything in life requires compromises. Rarely, if ever, do you get ONLY 100% of what you want. Time some of the Squeal Like Pigs crowd grew up and dealt with that unhappy adult reality.

Past time for these daily temper tantrums to stop.

[Rockitz]

This is not in the agenda of the president nor the majority of the senate who have sold us out to benefit their big business constituents.

[MNJohnnie]

Whaaa! Bush isn't doing ONLY what I want! Whaaaa! Same old same old, repeated endlessly.

Have fun being completely politically irrelevant the rest of your lives. Life requires compromise. HERE is what happens when you all indulge in this sort of feverish 100%erism.

Ok, you "break" with the Republicans because YOU personally are not getting ONLY 100% of ONLY what YOU personally want. So wander off with the rest of the whiners and form your own group. Let's call it the "Real American Party"

So you all feel peachy until suddenly Issue Such and such comes up. Well suddenly some of you have ONE side and the some the other. So what happens. Same thing, "You are betraying me, I hate you, Whaaa!" and you splinter into the "Real American Party" the the "Ultra Real American Party" and then issue B and the Ultra Reals suddenly split with the Ultra Conservative Real American party forming and so on and so on and so on and so forth until it you and 6 of your relatives sitting around telling each other how great it is you all are so ideologically pure!

You will be completely irrelevant and get 100% of NOTHING politically but, boy, you can all sit around Freeper and pat each other on the back about how dogmatically pure you are. Whee will that not be some fun! Irrelevant but Pure. There is a catchy slogan for your "third party"!

To be effective at anything in life, but especially politics, requires the ability to build a coalition. NONE of you fanatic 100%er seem willing to grasp that basic fact.