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To: GOPJ
"Ann puts the MSM and their sycophants in their place - I don't know why that touches a nerve with you, but it obviously does." I've already explained what touches a nerve with me about Ann and it has nothing to do with the media. It has to do with her use of personal attacks. You know that, so why do you pretend otherwise? Such attacks are not only mean, but counterproductive. They don't help our side.

"If you don't like her, fine. But she's a hero to those of us who feel the MSM has acted the part of the bully ..." I never said I didn't like her. I don't like it when she makes personal attacks. And it is abundantly clear to me that she is beyond a "hero" to many here. To those in "the Coult" she is apparently above criticism. "and if you're concerned that she, and Rush, and Hannity haven't done well enough by the party I'm amazed." There ya go again making up things I've never said. I never said Rush and Hannity hadn't done well by the party. They are great at firing up the base and the party needs that. Does that mean they're perfect? Does that mean I have to lie and pretend Hannity is an excellent debator?

"And your comment about "Is that a Christian way to act?" is something I have heard from every liberal I know. They have a one note song, and that's that Christians aren't allowed to be judgmental." And once again, you are twisting things. I never said Christians can't be judgemental. You can make judgements and criticism without using personal attacks and slander. Got it????

"And here I would like to remind you that Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple. He didn't try to understand them or go into therapy with them. He didn't accept them. Or be careful in how he spoke to them. He threw them out. In your opinion, was Jesus not acting in a Christian way when he did that?" Your Jesus in the Temple example is sooooooo predictable. It is the only thing people can ever point to in the Bible as an example of Jesus getting angry. Guess what? I never said you can't be angry. I never said you can't make judgements. In your example, Jesus rebuked them specifically for their actions. But please tell me where,in this example or anywhere else in the stories of Christ, he ever slandered anyone.

"But tell me, are you Christian in the way you use the phrase? Are you ever so careful not to offend? Please tell me the truth. Do you hold yourself to the same standard you want to use to box me in with? Or is it just a cheap tactic to be used against those you see as your inferiors?" First of all, I am not the one seeing our side as inferiors. On the contrary, I want to hold our side to a higher level. You guys are the ones who want to lower our side to the tactics of the left. I think more of conservatives than you do if you think we have to behave like them. And, yes, if a woman is going to write a book in which she characterizes the left as being "Godless" she darn well better make sure her actions are in keeping with those of Christ's teachings. Second, as I've stated repeatedly, there is a difference between "offending" and "slandering". Of course I offend people from time to time. If I offend people by stating a truth or a relevant observation, there is nothing I can do about that. (Unless, of course, the truth is only hurtful and not helpful. If, for example, I see an enormously fat person, I don't need to tell the person he is fat. It is fairly evident and only serves to be hurtful. In such cases, it is better not to say anything.) And, yes, I've probably said something about Michael Moore's appearance at some time and that is the wrong thing to do. We have plenty to criticize him about, without making it personal.

If I say, "The Jersey Girls seem to be exploiting a tragic situation for political purposes", that is an observation that may offend but it isn't slander and I don't have a problem with it. If I speculate -- based on no evidence whatsoever --that their husbands would have divorced them or that they want to be in Playboy, that is slander. If I call them "witches" that is a personal attack. Got it?????????? Why do you continually deflect from those points when you know they are the source of my objection to Coulter's actions? We all make mistakes. No one is perfect. But Coulter refuses to acknowledge she did anything wrong and neither do most of the people defending her. Why can't you just admit that, while her argument has merit, the personal attacks were out of line?
391 posted on 06/25/2006 5:59:14 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom
Here's our problem - you're talking "tree", I'm talking forest. You will win particular battles -- finely drawn and ever so carefully detailed, but you will not win the "war" of this debate. What Ann did was wonderful on the "forest" level. As I see it. Not as you see it.

I can respect your intellect, your debate skills, your analytical mind, but I'm not going to agree with you because we're not debating on the same playing field. That's the best I can explain it -- We will talk again on different subjects. Not this one. (Oh, and your type of voice is needed - very needed to keep some of us from going to far afield - but on this issue, your cautions are noted, and that's it. You and I will never agree on this one... )

404 posted on 06/25/2006 9:09:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (Once you see the MSM manipulate opinion, all their efforts seem manipulative-Reformedliberal)
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