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Coulter's Crudeness
Boston Globe ^ | 6/19/06 | Cathy Young

Posted on 06/19/2006 8:25:28 AM PDT by pissant

SEVERAL years ago, left-wing cartoonist Ted Rall published a cartoon mocking the ``terror widows" -- the bereaved of the Sept. 11 attacks as well as Marianne Pearl, the widow of kidnapped and slain journalist Daniel Pearl -- as a bunch of greedy and shallow attention-seekers. The outrage was universal. A number of press outlets, including The New York Times website, pulled the cartoon. Subsequently, when the Times and The Washington Post stopped carrying Rall's work, conservatives called it a victory for decency.

Now, the right has its own Ted Rall in the infamous Ann Coulter. In her new book, ``Godless: The Church of Liberalism," Coulter takes a whack at the ``Jersey Girls," four Sept. 11 widows who have been highly critical of the Bush administration. She refers to them as ``self-obsessed women" who ``believe the entire country was required to marinate in their exquisite personal agony," and then concludes with this zinger: ``These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief -arrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's death so much."

A number of conservatives, including prominent Republican blogger and radio talk-show host Hugh Hewitt, have denounced Coulter's statement. Unfortunately, many others have rallied to her defense. Radio and Fox News talk-show host Sean Hannity has mildly suggested that she may have gone too far, but has avoided condemning her outright and has given her plenty of airtime on his show.

Bill O'Reilly, the host of the Fox News show ``The O'Reilly Factor," has been harshly critical of Coulter's comments. Yet several of his conservative guests vigorously defended her. Republican strategist Karen Hanretty opined,

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KEYWORDS: anncoulter; annhaters; boohoo; bookburners; coulter; godless
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To: Smedley
But on the other hand, the Left has been so over the top for so long - including the actions of the Jersey Girls and Cindy Sheehan, that the Left can no longer discern the difference between sane discourse and insane behavior.

And because they cannot that justifies Coulter? How can we criticize such behavior in them and excuse it away in her?

241 posted on 06/19/2006 12:02:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Restorer

Her points are there in the background, getting their message across subliminally, every time the liberals rant and shriek. The title of the book gets mentioned. Of course they will never deal with the main issue head-on. That would be actually Dealing With An Issue.


242 posted on 06/19/2006 12:04:19 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: pissant

It is a question of style. I might never make the case in the manner Ann does, but you can't take away the fact that she is right.

She is a political satirist who exaggerates to get attention and make a point. This she has certainly done very well, as well as sell books.


243 posted on 06/19/2006 12:05:02 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO WANT TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY !)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
To make a point with liberals, you must strike a raw nerve.

How many people out there, liberal or fence-sitters, will miss the point because she hits the raw nerve with her sledge hammer? Let's be honest here. Coulter isn't interested in converting anyone. She doesn't preach to liberals or reach out to those towards the middle. She's tossing raw meat to her many devoted followers. Those who wouldn't buy her book without her aiming for the raw nerves. She's after the money and that's it.

244 posted on 06/19/2006 12:05:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: maica
One of the reasons why the current campaign by the left to demonize Ann Coulter for insulting "9/11 widows" is because the same media used the 4 Jersey girls as spokesmen and talismen for every widow of the events of that horrible day.

I've yet to see anything from the Jersey Girls where they claim to speak for anyone but themselves.

245 posted on 06/19/2006 12:06:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: pgyanke

???
You lost me bud.

S'right.....

Gotta go play with the bad girls now ;)


246 posted on 06/19/2006 12:06:44 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
She does it [claims... absolute moral authority to pronounce on areas in which she has no expertise] without personal loss.

From her bio:

Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates.

After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion.

A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.

Care to put your bio against hers?

247 posted on 06/19/2006 12:09:25 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Let's be honest here.

Always followed by dishonesty...

248 posted on 06/19/2006 12:11:07 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: pgyanke

That whoosing sound is the point of their statement going right over your head.

Ann may have a million degrees and a pedigree that the AKC would adore,

BUT,
She hasn't lived or lost.....she's a zephyr.


249 posted on 06/19/2006 12:11:30 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: najida

You are again exposing your biases. Liberals see the world conferring expertise through loss and failure. Conservatives gain expertise through hard work and achievement. She has earned her right to express herself on these subjects and has the pedigree to prove her aptitude.


250 posted on 06/19/2006 12:15:54 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: sinkspur

They are afraid that they will "get beaten down" on the internet? My word! What a fearsome group of conservative warriors you speak for. Afraid to write their opinions in an anonymous forum.


251 posted on 06/19/2006 12:18:01 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: pissant

Right. I was commenting on the article comparing Ann's comments to Rall's.


253 posted on 06/19/2006 12:22:30 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: soccermom

It is one thing to attack the messenger when they are not the originator of the message, as in an envoy, for example. It is entirely different when the messenger originated the message, helped to make the message and/or approves of the content of the message. That would make them part of the message, and fair game.


254 posted on 06/19/2006 12:24:17 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: pgyanke
But she expresses her opinions in the framework of emotionalism. Over and over, throughout this thread and all Ann threads, emotional words are used to describe her personna.

Conservatism strongly supports self-gained knowledge and we often hold those who have degrees up for censure because they don't have the 'common sense' to support the claims and beliefs. Conservative values are respecting those who've lived full lives and upheld the foundations of family, childrearing etc equally with those who have taken more scholarly pursuits.

You can't have it both ways. Ann can't one minute be the brilliant brain and the next be the emotional rapier. She can't be the paragon of virtue and the hottie in the mini selling on her sex appeal. She can't be the unmarried/childless/never lived woman one minute and worldly and wise the next.

She is a woman who has hid behind her brain and her words instead of living. If she was a liberal, we'd be pointing that out over and over and over.

No bias here, just the person saying the Empress isn't wearing any clothes. She has not lived. Period.
255 posted on 06/19/2006 12:27:39 PM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: najida

Just out of curiosity, what do you define as "lived"?


256 posted on 06/19/2006 12:29:35 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Thrusher

Must have missed the Welstone funeral and cheerleading event.


257 posted on 06/19/2006 12:31:01 PM PDT by newcthem (When are our congress-men going to start getting paid in Pesos?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'm not going to speculate on the true motives of those that they trashed because I don't pretend to know what they are.

A lovely appeal to pity that. You claim you can't speculate on AC's (or Rall's) motives, because you don't know what they are. Yet when AC "trashes" the "Jersey Girls" she does it without personal loss. This is nothing but speculation on your part, and it is wrong. AC has written about the personal loss of her good friend Barbara Olsen (another friend of this forum as is Ann Coulter).

Let's be honest here. Coulter isn't interested in converting anyone. She doesn't preach to liberals or reach out to those towards the middle. She's tossing raw meat to her many devoted followers. Those who wouldn't buy her book without her aiming for the raw nerves. She's after the money and that's it.

What was that about 'not speculating about true motives?'

Here's a word for you: polemic--defined as "a controversial argument, especially one refuting or attacking a specific opinion or doctrine."

Her book is not a public relations tract, it's a polemic and a fine one. Your criticism of her rhetoric shows no understanding of this legitimate rhetorical device, and displays not a little intellectual dishonesty on your part.

258 posted on 06/19/2006 12:32:55 PM PDT by youngjim (Irony is wasted on the stupid)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yes - the point is, she doesn't claim to be immune to criticism because of her loss, like the Democrats' victim spokespeople do. She stands up to and answers criticism with fact and yes, one-liners; she doesn't cut and run from the argument by claiming immunity because of victimhood. The liberal icons like Cindy Sheehan, the Jersey girls, Murtha, Kerry, and McCain scream about disrespect for their loss or wounds whenever they are criticized and try to shut down the argument.


259 posted on 06/19/2006 12:40:46 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: jmc813

Mark Levin is very good and is just as insightful and "biting" as Coulter. I think there is something to the fact that Coulter is female and is judged differently because of her gender.


260 posted on 06/19/2006 12:44:51 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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