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Fired – For Love Without Marriage
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Posted on 06/17/2006 5:17:58 PM PDT by narses

AP) The owners of a roller skating rink have fired an 18-year-old woman they called one of their "Top 10" employees because she moved in with her boyfriend, violating a company ethics policy that prohibits "live-in relationships of an intimate nature."

"I loved my job and I didn't want to leave," Crystal Plotner told the Coeur d'Alene Press this week.

She said she was fired after casually telling her bosses, Skate Plaza owners Marvin and Pat Miller, that she planned to move in with her boyfriend in mid-May.

Before terminating her, Plotner said the Millers said she and her boyfriend should "check out their church." She declined.

"Even if I had gone to their church, I don't think it would have saved my job," said Plotner, who worked at Skate Plaza for three years and made $9.25 an hour. "They didn't want me to live with my boyfriend. They were pushing their religion on me and I was offended. I don't have the same religious beliefs as they do."

Pat Miller praised Plotner, saying that "In all the years that we've employed people, she was one of the Top 10. It was a sad day when she left because everybody loved her."

But Miller added, "We've had our (employee) handbook out for many years and it does say if you live in an immoral way with a member of the opposite sex or same sex, you will be terminated."

Miller said that in talking with Plotner, they were approaching the issue as employers, friends and Christians.

"Our advice is not to do this," Miller added. "It's fine and certainly her business that she did, but either we throw the handbook out or follow what's in it."

Pat Miller said they attempt to set a good example in the community because their business draws young people.

"If we owned a roofing company, it wouldn't have mattered," Pat Miller said. "We screen our music carefully. We have a 4-inch rule. We don't allow petting, necking or bad language. You have to decide, what kind of establishment do you want to be? We want parents to feel comfortable bringing their kids here."

She said it is the first time they have fired someone for living with a boyfriend or girlfriend, though they have rejected some applicants for that reason.

"When we first put it in we checked with our attorney, and he said we could do it as long as it's consistent."

Skate Plaza's moral and ethics policy also bans such behaviors as "public displays of promiscuous activities, homosexuality, intoxication, use of profanity, lewd behavior, use of illegal drugs, child abuse, spouse abuse, unlawful relationships, cross-dressing, stalking and nudity."

Leslie Goodard, director of Idaho's Human Rights Commission, said the policies don't appear to violate Idaho employment law.

"There is no statute that directly prohibits discrimination based on marital status, and sexual orientation is not protected," said Goodard.

But Jack Van Valkenburgh, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Boise, said Skate Plaza might be violating federal discrimination laws.

"It sounds to me as though they're pushing their religious view of what a proper living situation should be," he said.

For her part, Plotner said she's through with Skate Plaza.

"They're already judging me for how I live my life and it wouldn't be the same," she said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: cohabitation; employerrights; employmentlaw; freedomofcontract; playinghouse; rollerskating
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To: narses

Jesus, save me from your followers.


21 posted on 06/17/2006 5:39:20 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: Taylor42

Pretty much, yes.

I mean, my first reaction was irritation at how utterly idiotic it was. But upon further consideration, it IS a free country and she's free to work anywhere else, so I don't see any reason for the government to get involved.


22 posted on 06/17/2006 5:42:00 PM PDT by rebelyell7
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To: narses

Guess they got the right to be nutty kinda people if it's thier business, but I believe what you do on your own time is YOUR business as long as you do your job.


23 posted on 06/17/2006 5:44:23 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Taylor42

You can quit your job for any reason. It works both ways, unless there is a contract.


24 posted on 06/17/2006 5:45:08 PM PDT by stands2reason (Rivers will run dry and mountains will crumble, but two wrongs will never make a right.)
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To: Normal4me
Guess they got the right to be nutty kinda people if it's thier business

How many folks would scream bloody murder here on FR, if she got canned because they found out she was posting on FR?

25 posted on 06/17/2006 5:50:47 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Taylor42
Wait a minute folks, the young lady may have been discriminated against. You see religion is one of the protected classes. You can't discriminate against someone on the basis of their religious beliefs, and as we all know Liberalism is a religion. (Tongue firmly embedded into cheek)
26 posted on 06/17/2006 5:50:57 PM PDT by alvindsv
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To: narses
Soounds like she is a good young lady who has a weakness of moral fiber. If her "boyfriend" didn't have the hutzpah to talk her into marriage, she shouldn't be living with him, becuase chances are, he'll use her and drop her when something he thinks is nicer comes along.

Societal rules have evolved for a reason,in addition to being encoded in religious morality. God made the rules for your own protection and happiness , girl.

You messed up , big time.

27 posted on 06/17/2006 5:52:36 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Isn't that kinda the point. She accepted employment knowing the rules but acts shocked once the rules are enforced.

Rules for thee but not for me!


28 posted on 06/17/2006 5:55:21 PM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: narses
We have a 4-inch rule

??? That shouldn't be too hard to beat, but I am not sure that I would drop trou just to prove it.

29 posted on 06/17/2006 5:58:02 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Normal4me
How many folks would scream bloody murder here on FR, if she got canned because they found out she was posting on FR?

That's a useless analogy on several levels!

1) If she was posting from her work PC, they'd have had every right to do so.

2) If not, let's see their employment contract and see the wording that forbids posting to such a website using your home PC on your own time.

3) Finally, the Anti-Christian Litigation Unit (ACLU) wouldn't care if anyone got fired for that reason. Some speech is just more equal than others.

30 posted on 06/17/2006 5:59:59 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: RadioAstronomer
She's not being THAT immoral now! ;-)
31 posted on 06/17/2006 6:00:09 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: dpa5923
I agree with you. Not sure if that falls under religious discrimination though. I know that in a Gov job, that would not be policy.
32 posted on 06/17/2006 6:00:57 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Candor7

Maybe she can't afford the rent without her boyfriend sharing the residence and paying half. Guess they could get married for the sake of her employment however.


33 posted on 06/17/2006 6:03:26 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: FormerLib

I was thinking your #2 when I posted. I should be more clear. Sorry.


34 posted on 06/17/2006 6:03:46 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Normal4me

LOL!


35 posted on 06/17/2006 6:04:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Taylor42
"Because that's what you're signing up for."

Idaho is a right to work state (don't have to join a union). However, you can be fired for NO reason. (unless you are in a federally protected group).

I think that's the way it should be...
36 posted on 06/17/2006 6:07:25 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene
" I think that's the way it should be...

Even if you show up everyday and do your job as asked?

37 posted on 06/17/2006 6:10:24 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: narses
"They're already judging me for how I live my life and it wouldn't be the same," she said.

It's pretty much out in the open, dear. Especially since you apparently took this to the press.

Oh well...play house and get burned like most. I just hope they don't have any kids and subject the innocent to this.

38 posted on 06/17/2006 6:11:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Normal4me
"Guess they got the right to be nutty kinda people if it's thier business, but I believe what you do on your own time is YOUR business as long as you do your job."

In Idaho fornication is against the law and you can technically go to jail for it. That happened a few years back and there was quite an uproar. They jailed both an unmarred pregnant girl and her boyfriend.
39 posted on 06/17/2006 6:13:20 PM PDT by babygene
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To: narses

Forget about the DUmmies going nuts over this. It appears that some Freepers will also.


40 posted on 06/17/2006 6:14:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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