What point?
Btw, the word is PROPHET, not PROFIT, I was simply being fascecious in following your example...it's such an easy mistake to make if english isn't your first language...
Posted on 06/17/2006 11:21:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON - Buoyed by the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, U.S. government officials hope the exposure of his radical network through hundreds of raids across Iraq will help them eliminate key tentacles of the amorphous al-Qaida organization.
These officials say the raids have led to solid insights into al-Qaida in Iraq and provided new clues about how the group trades information with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida central.
They also are learning who is connected to whom and how external support is funneled through Iraq from across the Middle East, including Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iran.
Several officials requested anonymity while the investigations were unfolding.
In a press conference in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said Thursday that 452 U.S. and coalition raids had been conducted since al-Zarqawi was killed June 7. The information is mounting: Military and other investigators are collecting documents, computers, weapons and DNA.
The work comes at a time when al-Qaida in Iraq is in flux as it adjusts to operating without its charismatic leader. U.S., Iraqi and coalition forces are hoping to seize the opportunity to unravel al-Qaida's complicated web.
Officials are also working to understand the group's purported new leader and whether he has the connections and credibility to assume al-Zarqawi's iconic role.
The enthusiasm of President Bush and other senior officials is tempered by the knowledge that al-Zarqawi's death crimps but hardly kills his organization. Authorities also are watching to see if al-Zarqawi's wish-for martyrdom attracts more fighters into the jihadist fold.
The U.S. military has identified an Egyptian, Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who is believed to also use the name Abu Hamza al-Mujaher, as al-Zarqawi's successor in Iraq and presumably in operations beyond.
The president's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, has cautioned against jumping to conclusions while the organization is adrift.
If in fact the new leader is al-Masri, authorities are only in the early stages of figuring out what he will mean for al-Qaida.
Al-Masri, whose name means "the Egyptian," is a former member of Egyptian Islamic Jihad. He has long-standing ties to al-Qaida's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri. Al-Masri has been fighting in Iraq since at least 2003 and engaged in the battle of Fallujah in 2004.
Al-Zarqawi, a Sunni Muslim, was known for his gruesome attacks Iraq's Shiite population — a tactic that put him at odds with al-Qaida's central leadership. But al-Masri could be more receptive to guidance from Afghan-Pakistani border, given his long-standing ties to al-Zawahri, a fellow Egyptian.
Early estimates do not predict significant change in Iraq. "We think he will probably continue on with the same tactics and techniques that Zarqawi did," Caldwell said.
Al-Masri was the point man for getting foreign fighters into Iraq. It was a critical position that would have allowed him to build relationships with numerous foreign contacts.
It remains to be seen how he will oversee the loose network outside of Iraq that al-Zarqawi established. The 39-year-old was believed to have links to radicals in more than 40 countries on at least five continents.
U.S. officials said the bulk of al-Zarqawi's reach outside of Iraq was centered in his home of Jordan, which was his primary target outside Iraq. Lesser extensions included his operatives in Europe, where he was believed to have just a handful.
At a Senate hearing Tuesday, retired Vice Adm. John Scott Redd, head of the National Counterterrorism Center, could not say for certain how many fighters have been trained by al-Zarqawi and may have returned to their home countries; some estimates suggest they could number in the low hundreds.
Redd said authorities have indications of plots "at least hatching" outside Iraq. "And some of those may have been far enough that we'll see them," he said.
In many ways, those plots typify the new al-Qaida, which has evolved from a centralized group rooted in Afghanistan to an amorphous ideology dispersed worldwide.
During a speech in April, Gen. Michael Hayden, the newly appointed CIA director, said the war in Iraq motivates jihadists, but their failure there would weaken the movement globally.
"The loss of key leaders like bin Laden, Zawahri and Zarqawi — especially if they were lost in rapid succession — could cause the jihadist movement to fracture even more into smaller groups, and would probably lead to strains and disagreements," said Hayden, who at the time was the No. 2 U.S. intelligence official.
You mean this statement? "Every language has a word for demon, god, mad, and plagiarize."
You are referring to that statement when you write - "clearly that statement is false and unsupportable."?
plagiarize: Definition, Synonyms and Much More From Answers.complagiarize ( ) v. , -rized , -rizing , -rizes . v.tr. ... ÇáÚÑÈíå (Arabic) þ(ÝÚá) íäÊÍá ÂÑÇÁ ãÄáÝ ÂÎÑ Ãæ ßáãÇÊåþ ...
www.answers.com/topic/plagiarize - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
Or is it 'demon, god, mad' that you cannot translate?
Correct ... that statement and that specific word that you have refered to in your last 3 posts ....
... are you now contending that it is correct, that EVERY language, even those with no writing, contains A word whose meaning is the misrepresenting of someone else's intellectual property as your own ?
YOUR link and example ( assuming they are correct ) clearly show that in Arabic it takes at least 5 words to translate it -
Your ProfitofDoom is making a specific statement here -
"Every language has a word for demon, god, mad, and plagiarize."
are you attempting to re-write his sentance as something like -
" Every language can express the concept of a demon, god, mad, and plagiarism. "
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in order for it to have the meaning that you assign to it ?
Plagiarism is theft of another person's writings or ideas.
Here’s the bottom line: Arabic, especially in written form, is a recent phenomenon linguistically. Not only wasn’t it one of man’s earliest languages, it was derived from a language that predated it by 3,000 years. There is no evidence that written Arabic existed in Mecca when the Qur’an was handed down. Therefore, it couldn’t have been the language of Allah if, as the Qur’an and Hadith attest, written scrolls were given to Adam, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus prior to the time written Arabic was conceived. And that would make Allah a liar and the Qur’an a fraud.
http://prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41041
Here’s the bottom line: Arabic, especially in written form, is a recent phenomenon linguistically. Not only wasn’t it one of man’s earliest languages, it was derived from a language that predated it by 3,000 years. There is no evidence that written Arabic existed in Mecca when the Qur’an was handed down. Therefore, it couldn’t have been the language of Allah if, as the Qur’an and Hadith attest, written scrolls were given to Adam, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus prior to the time written Arabic was conceived. And that would make Allah a liar and the Qur’an a fraud.
http://prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41041
sorry about the double post...
"They also are learning who is connected to whom and how external support is funneled"...
Intellegence officer: "Look at these names in this address book, guys. Kennedy, Murtha, Boxer, Kerry over on this side and look at more names on this other side. Dean, Reid and a whole bunch of others. Wonder who belongs to all these UN numbers."
LOL -
"Therefore, it couldn’t have been the language of Allah if, as the Qur’an and Hadith attest, written scrolls were given to Adam, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus prior to the time written Arabic was conceived."
Even YOU could figure an answer to that one ...
It wouldn't have done much good if He gave them scrolls in a language they didn't understand now, would it ?
... and how do you know what language Adam spoke ? I suppose the important thing would be what language Noah and his family spoke since everyone else died, right ?
You seem to be fogetting again is that I couldn't care less if the Koran is accurate ...
"Every ( all-inclusive, as opposed to most or some ) language has a word ( singular, as opposed to "words" plural )
Is that ALL this discussion is about? How many words it takes in any language to describe an action? Like, in English, plagiarize can also mean 'piracy' or 'theft' - need I go on? Each is an action, a VERB that denotes STEALING from someone else and claiming it as your own.
Plagiarize is taken to mean the THEFT of the product of someone else's INTELLECT...and nothing describes better the ACTIONS of the PROFIT MAHAMMAD.
I've used the same method on your Profit that he uses in his writings, you cannot defend his exactly quoted statements and now appear to be protesting that his words are not important... it's his meaning, as devined by you, that is important.
Why do you keep avoiding the fact that your Profit's statement is unsupportable as writen ?
English is his native language, yet you seem to feel that what clearly your Profit has writen he did not mean, YOU must clarify this simple sentance for him.
The Maya have a similar legend of rising waters - as do the Chinese and the indigenous peoples of North America. So I cannot accept that everyone died.
"You seem to be forgetting again is that I couldn't care less if the Koran is accurate ..."
So, why are you being so pedantic about TRANSLATIONS from archaic arabic into any other language?
Did you read the article I posted for you previously? http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/4462
as an example -
"Democracy as the proverbial schoolboy would know is based on one fundamental principle: equality.
The Greek word for equal isos is used in more than 200 compound nouns; including isoteos (equality) and Isologia (equal or free speech) and isonomia (equal treatment).
But again we find no equivalent in any of the Muslim languages. The words we have such as barabari in Persian and sawiyah in Arabic mean juxtaposition or levelling.
Nor do we have a word for politics.
The word siassah, now used as a synonym for politics, initially meant whipping stray camels into line.( Sa'es al-kheil is a person who brings back lost camels to the caravan. )The closest translation may be: regimentation."
The author, Amir Taheri, whose native tongue is arabic, understands and accepts the use of SYNONYMS.
Synonym Meaning and DefinitionSynonym Meaning and Definition. (n.) One of two or more words corresponding in meaning but of different languages; a heteronym. ... en.thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/synonym/ - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
Interesting that you for some reason you bring Mahammad into this ... He's not even mentioned in the quote I selected.
Are you suggesting that I must consider this sentance IN IT'S CONTEXT in order to understand the point that your Profit is making ?
"The Maya have a similar legend of rising waters - as do the Chinese and the indigenous peoples of North America. So I cannot accept that everyone died. "
Why not ?
They got there from somewhere, and if they were decendants from Noah they would have a common history to create legends from. Your point does not weaken the arguement.
"So, why are you being so pedantic about TRANSLATIONS from archaic arabic into any other language? "
I'm not - your Profit is the one that made the statement about EVERY language. I'm simply pointing out he is wrong.
If your Profit's words had been translated from an original in, say, Aborigine, then a problem with the meaning of it might be understandable.
What point?
Btw, the word is PROPHET, not PROFIT, I was simply being fascecious in following your example...it's such an easy mistake to make if english isn't your first language...
...and if they were decendants from Noah they would have a common history to create legends from...
You have taken this to mean the peoples brought the legends with them from the Middle East region.
It's a moot point but I must point out that these legends referred to LOCAL EVENTS.
IN SOUTH AMERICA. IN CHINA & ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENTS.
#93 was incorrectly addressed to myself...LOL!
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