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To: Zon
...drug users and even dealers engage in consensual "crimes". They are not murders, thieves or rapists whose targets/victims do not consent.

You're joking, right? Do you honestly believe that the drug business doesn't involve any other crime than the sale and receipt of the drugs? You've got to be kidding.

Do you think police agencies dreamed up no-knock warrants just because they like to bash in people's front doors? They exist, and the overwhelming majority of people support them, because critical evidence was being destroyed before officers could get into the building. It's not imaginary, it really happens. It happened a lot. That's why they created the no-knock warrant.

91 posted on 06/15/2006 10:37:47 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: TChris

You're joking, right? Do you honestly believe that the drug business doesn't involve any other crime than the sale and receipt of the drugs? You've got to be kidding.

The act of possessing drugs or selling drugs is consensual -- it violates no persons right to life or property. You created a straw man argument. Which in that it is irrational. Though your argument is invalid from the start I will address the issue of crime as it relates to illicit drugs. See alcohol prohibition. Crime spawned by alcohol prohibition was a derivative of prohibition -- an unintended consequence. With knowledge of past experience from drug prohibition, the "unintended" consequence of crime in the illicit drug business is intended. Politicians and bureaucrats knew that drug prohibition would spawn crime and escalation thereof. In short, the crime is a result of the laws that prohibit drugs just as the laws that prohibited alcohol did.

Do you think police agencies dreamed up no-knock warrants just because they like to bash in people's front doors? They exist, and the overwhelming majority of people support them, because critical evidence was being destroyed before officers could get into the building. It's not imaginary, it really happens. It happened a lot. That's why they created the no-knock warrant.

Yeah, you guys (if you're still a LEO) take one drug dealer off the street and there's ten more waiting to take his place. Arresting drug dealers is a job opportunity for them. And innocent drug users have their lives ruined by criminal records yet they violated no persons right to life or property. The LEOs ruined their life. The illicit drug culture is in the hands of criminals rather than a capitalist, and government regulation. Just look how well the alcohol culture is handled compared to drug prohibition. You don't see beer dealers waging turf wars. You don't see indeterminate quality of alcohol as often happens with illicit drugs because the alcohol quality and potency is regulated whereas it's not with illicit drugs.

See LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition).

103 posted on 06/15/2006 10:58:04 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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