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To: TChris

You're joking, right? Do you honestly believe that the drug business doesn't involve any other crime than the sale and receipt of the drugs? You've got to be kidding.

The act of possessing drugs or selling drugs is consensual -- it violates no persons right to life or property. You created a straw man argument. Which in that it is irrational. Though your argument is invalid from the start I will address the issue of crime as it relates to illicit drugs. See alcohol prohibition. Crime spawned by alcohol prohibition was a derivative of prohibition -- an unintended consequence. With knowledge of past experience from drug prohibition, the "unintended" consequence of crime in the illicit drug business is intended. Politicians and bureaucrats knew that drug prohibition would spawn crime and escalation thereof. In short, the crime is a result of the laws that prohibit drugs just as the laws that prohibited alcohol did.

Do you think police agencies dreamed up no-knock warrants just because they like to bash in people's front doors? They exist, and the overwhelming majority of people support them, because critical evidence was being destroyed before officers could get into the building. It's not imaginary, it really happens. It happened a lot. That's why they created the no-knock warrant.

Yeah, you guys (if you're still a LEO) take one drug dealer off the street and there's ten more waiting to take his place. Arresting drug dealers is a job opportunity for them. And innocent drug users have their lives ruined by criminal records yet they violated no persons right to life or property. The LEOs ruined their life. The illicit drug culture is in the hands of criminals rather than a capitalist, and government regulation. Just look how well the alcohol culture is handled compared to drug prohibition. You don't see beer dealers waging turf wars. You don't see indeterminate quality of alcohol as often happens with illicit drugs because the alcohol quality and potency is regulated whereas it's not with illicit drugs.

See LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition).

103 posted on 06/15/2006 10:58:04 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon
The act of possessing drugs or selling drugs is consensual -- it violates no persons right to life or property. You created a straw man argument.

Not a straw man at all. The drug trafficking is still illegal. Whether you think it should be or not is a legislative issue, not an enforcement one. The violent crime associated with drug trafficking is absolutely a legitimate concern, your philosophical analysis notwithstanding.

The power of the congress to enact laws is still part of the Constitution. The power of state legislatures to enact laws is part of each state's constitution. Some laws you don't like? Fine. Deal with that through the legislature. But don't slam on LEOs for doing their job and enforcing the laws that have been enacted.

You want to live in a place where nobody can tell you what to do? That's a holdover from adolescence, and such a place does not exist. Anywhere. You can imagine, dream, wish, insist, demand and delude all you want, but it... Does. Not. Exist.

Want to smoke your pot without anybody ruining your buzz? Move to the Netherlands.

110 posted on 06/15/2006 11:10:25 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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