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To: Zon
The act of possessing drugs or selling drugs is consensual -- it violates no persons right to life or property. You created a straw man argument.

Not a straw man at all. The drug trafficking is still illegal. Whether you think it should be or not is a legislative issue, not an enforcement one. The violent crime associated with drug trafficking is absolutely a legitimate concern, your philosophical analysis notwithstanding.

The power of the congress to enact laws is still part of the Constitution. The power of state legislatures to enact laws is part of each state's constitution. Some laws you don't like? Fine. Deal with that through the legislature. But don't slam on LEOs for doing their job and enforcing the laws that have been enacted.

You want to live in a place where nobody can tell you what to do? That's a holdover from adolescence, and such a place does not exist. Anywhere. You can imagine, dream, wish, insist, demand and delude all you want, but it... Does. Not. Exist.

Want to smoke your pot without anybody ruining your buzz? Move to the Netherlands.

110 posted on 06/15/2006 11:10:25 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: TChris

Not a straw man at all.

If it's not a straw man then how is a transaction between a buyer and dealer not consensual? Your argument didn't address that. Your argument addressed non-consensual interactions -- ie., crimes. 

Deal with that through the legislature. 

I addressed that issue in my previous post. Alcohol prohibition was constitutionally valid because it was made law via an amendment to the constitution. Congress knew that was the only way to make alcohol prohibition constitutionally valid.

But don't slam on LEOs for doing their job and enforcing the laws that have been enacted.

I'll not slam any person. I will point persons that support and take part in supporting unconstitutional laws. When politicians, bureaucrats and LEOs violate the constitution it is their error, not mine for pointing it out. No amount of rationalization on your part will change the facts, nor make it right to violate the constitution.

You want to live in a place where nobody can tell you what to do? That's a holdover from adolescence, and such a place does not exist. Anywhere. You can imagine, dream, wish, insist, demand and delude all you want, but it... Does. Not. Exist.

Interning that you concoct a hypothetical scenario that suits your agenda and imply that your hypothetical is my position. When in fact it is as if you are trying to frame my position while disregarding the input I already supplied. My position is that I and every person may do whatever they chose so long as they do not violate the live or property rights of another person.

To quote you "You want to live in a place where nobody can tell you what to do?" Authoritarians with collectivist ideal tell people what to do and expect them to comply with their demands. Individualists tell people to do nothing -- they demand nothing of others -- nothing, save for don't violate my life and or property rights. It seems abundantly clear to me that you've been manipulated into supporting collectivist.group-think.

Want to smoke your pot without anybody ruining your buzz? Move to the Netherlands.

Now you're just making an a$$ of yourself. I don't do illicit drugs.

See LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). A fast growing segment of persons that have or have had careers in the justice system.

111 posted on 06/15/2006 11:49:31 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: TChris

If a drug is produced in, say, Ohio, and sold there, from where does the federal government derive its jurisdiction to regulate this production and sale?


130 posted on 06/15/2006 12:37:01 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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