1 posted on
06/15/2006 1:41:08 AM PDT by
neverdem
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To: neverdem
The decision is profoundly disturbing because it legitimizes the fact that the Bush administration...
I love how the excerpt places it perfectly. There's their objection. It makes things legitimate. Whoops, sorry, lefties, you lost. But please, don't get over it, keep fighting. It helps.
As to the ruling - what a shocker here. Pretty much has been established law since the founding of the nation, and to overturn it would be to say that most actions since the founding were illegal. You really can't pull that type of thing.
2 posted on
06/15/2006 1:44:45 AM PDT by
kingu
(Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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Pardon me, but that's Ethel Rosenberg.
3 posted on
06/15/2006 1:45:32 AM PDT by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: neverdem
>>A federal judge in Brooklyn ruled yesterday that the government has wide latitude under immigration law to detain noncitizens on the basis of religion, race or national origin, and to hold them indefinitely without explanation.<<
If this stands I wonder if this will be reciprocal - will we accept that other countries have the right to hold Americans who violate their visas (or don't have a visa) indefinitely without explanation?
4 posted on
06/15/2006 1:47:18 AM PDT by
gondramB
(We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
To: neverdem
Excellent catch! Of course, the NY Slimes would never give a reader the context or background and motivations of a leftist's opinions....knowing this person's relatives were executed SPIES against America might inform the casual reader of the Slimes.
6 posted on
06/15/2006 1:50:45 AM PDT by
Recovering_Democrat
(I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
To: neverdem
BTTT
7 posted on
06/15/2006 1:53:16 AM PDT by
nopardons
To: neverdem
Rachel Meeropol, IIRC, is the granddaughter of the convicted and executed Julius and Ehtel Rosenberg.
Nicely spotted!
To: neverdem
SHOCKER: Judge Gleeson is a CLINTON appointee!
John Gleeson was appointed as a United States District Judge on September 28,1994, and entered on duty on October 24, 1994. Judge Gleeson went to college at Georgetown University and received his law degree in 1980 from the University of Virginia School of Law. After serving as a law clerk for a year for the Hon. Boyce F. Martin, Jr., United States Circuit Judge in the Sixth Circuit, Judge Gleeson was a litigation associate at Cravath, Swaine & Moore from 1981 to 1985.
Gleeson bio
10 posted on
06/15/2006 1:59:51 AM PDT by
Recovering_Democrat
(I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
To: neverdem
She's Also head of the Lawyer's Union (new York??) , a COMMUNIST PARTY organization.......
Funny how the NYT will NEVER tell you she's an avowed Communist, eh??
13 posted on
06/15/2006 2:06:14 AM PDT by
tcrlaf
(Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
To: neverdem
Thank you Judge Gleeson. It is a prudent and reasonable ruling on what the law actually is.
14 posted on
06/15/2006 2:20:25 AM PDT by
Rapscallion
(They're not pro-America; they're democrats first.)
To: neverdem
Amendment XIV
1. ... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
16 posted on
06/15/2006 3:01:29 AM PDT by
StACase
To: neverdem
A spokesman for the government, Charles S. Miller, would not respond to those assertions, saying only that the Justice Department was "very pleased that the court upheld the decision to detain plaintiffs, all of whom were illegal aliens, until national security investigations were completed and plaintiffs were removed from the country." He said the government was reviewing the rest of the opinion to decide whether to appeal the rulings Judge Gleeson made to allow the plaintiffs' other claims to proceed. I'd guess that most of these detainees are claiming they will be tortured if returned to their country of origin, and subsequently it may take years to get rid of them. In the meantime, releasing them with an order to appear for a deportation hearing has not exactly been effective in the past. If just one of them is released and subsequently commits a terrorist act, the media outcry of crocodile tears will have the usual element of amnesia with regard to the indefinite detention issue.
To: neverdem
Okay Nelson, let's hear it : "Ha ha!"
21 posted on
06/15/2006 4:56:57 AM PDT by
jmaroneps37
(John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
To: neverdem
The rosenbergs: still undermining America, even from the grave.
22 posted on
06/15/2006 4:58:30 AM PDT by
jmaroneps37
(John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
To: neverdem
Hopefully he awarded attorney's fees... with extreme prejudice.
25 posted on
06/15/2006 8:19:22 AM PDT by
thoughtomator
(A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: neverdem
OMG!! The granddaughter of Communist spies is active against our CURRENT government!!
That LINK is VERY informative...Thanks!!
31 posted on
06/15/2006 9:50:41 AM PDT by
Suzy Quzy
("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
To: neverdem
"Rachel Meeropol, IIRC, is the granddaughter of the convicted and executed Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. "
The Meeropol name jumped out at me ... thanks for drawing that connection.
Traitors and enemies have enablers, and she seems happy to play that role.
32 posted on
06/15/2006 10:23:23 AM PDT by
WOSG
(Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
To: neverdem
convicted and executed Julius and Ehtel Rosenberg Convicted, executed, and proven indisputably guilty by the Venona transcripts. May they roast in hell. I spit on their graves.
-ccm
35 posted on
06/15/2006 10:36:49 AM PDT by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: neverdem
>>Rachel Meeropol, IIRC, is the granddaughter of the convicted and executed Julius and Ehtel Rosenberg. Pardon me, but this is why the left must be monitored, i.e. reading the NY Times.<<
Hey lets be fair. Journalistic integrity requires the NY Times to diclose when someone has an obvious motive.
They printed the same day the faxt that Meeropol is the name that the Rosenberg boys took after their parent's death. Of course you had had to look in another section of the paper and read the bok reviews and then guess that Rachel was the daughter of one of the brother.
BTW, the book review makes it clear that the Rosenbergs were guilty and that the Meerpol's won't accept the obvious.
I guess mentioning that in the same story would have been an "inconvenient truth."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E2D6103BF932A1575AC0A9659C8B63
>>With the collapse of the Soviet Union, former K.G.B. agents began to talk, in particular Alexander Feklisov, who had been Julius Rosenberg's K.G.B. contact, and to whom Rosenberg had supplied classified military and industrial information. What did Meeropol make of that? Why should Feklisov be believed, he wondered; K.G.B. agents were hardly ''paragons of honesty.'' Then, in 1995, the Venona transcripts -- the decryptions of Soviet intelligence telegrams from the 1940's and 50's -- were released. The decrypted material told much of the story of an extensive military and industrial spy ring run by Julius Rosenberg, with Ethel's knowledge if not her participation; and the material confirmed the testimony of Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, about his recruitment by Julius to pass on to Harry Gold, a courier for the Soviets, whatever he could pick up about the atomic bomb from his work at Los Alamos.
Meeropol now had to deal with damaging information from a variety of sources (including old friends of the Rosenbergs). But such is the power of a fixed idea that Meeropol believed it was still possible that all of this evidence was ''no more than the clever creation of mirror images based on the known record.'' Finally, however, he was forced to reflect that innocence wasn't everything: ''Whatever actions'' his parents ''took sprang from their love of humanity,<<
37 posted on
06/15/2006 10:45:09 AM PDT by
gondramB
(We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
To: neverdem
"This decision is a green light to racial profiling..." Goodness, I hope so.
44 posted on
06/15/2006 1:14:18 PM PDT by
TChris
("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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