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To: Mike Bates; beyond the sea; Peach
On FR, Ann Coulter + any criticism = boom.

Respectfully, what irritates this AC fan is the intellectually dishonest criticism from the anti-AC crowd on FR. In post #2 of this thread a poster made the comment "[AC} is not reporting "news" but is rather engaged in polemics. A little hyperbole never hurt anyone and is a legitimate rhetorical device." MW.com defines a polemic: n. 1. A controversial argument, especially one refuting or attacking a specific opinion or doctrine. 2. A person engaged in or inclined to controversy, argument, or refutation. adj. also po·lem·i·cal (--kl) Of or relating to a controversy, argument, or refutation. [French polémique, from Greek polemikos, hostile, from polemos, war.]

I suppose for older Freepers she comes off as uncouth, bizzare, classless, crass, etc. and this criticism would be well-founded if the point of her book was a public relations tract designed to promote conservatism. But the criticism misses the point of her book, which is designed to attack and refute the specific doctrine of liberal infallibility. The words she uses are deliberately offensive, casting heat and light on an over-used lefty trope. While you may be shocked at her words, they are not directed at you, but at the liberal "anointed." They are admittedly controversial, and effective in attacking the liberal mind-set.

The antis on this thread, lacking an understanding of the utility of the polemic, insist on questioning the author's motivations rather than evaluating her words in context; despite agreeing with the balance of her argument. This is intellectually dishonest carping--the critics insist on a different format for her polemic, all the while regretting that they would have done it differently. The critic compounds the matter by superciliously denouncing the motives of AC's supporters, citing banal observations of how she has offended them and their kin--then claiming against all evidence that AC would sell more books if she would pull her rhetorical punches.

It truly pains me to point this out to you august persons on this thread, but you argue against rhetoric you don't understand. Perhaps if you considered the context of AC's book (including the fact that the book is number one with a bullet on Amazon) and actually read the thing, you will reconsider your uninformed opinion.

482 posted on 06/14/2006 8:50:29 AM PDT by youngjim (Irony is wasted on the stupid)
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To: youngjim; Mike Bates; Peach; DoughtyOne; sinkspur; Darkwolf377; Steve_Seattle; johnny7; derllak; ...
The words she uses are deliberately offensive

Perfect..... she succeeded and was offensive to probably about 60% of all the people who heard and read her intemperate and uncouth words. She did not need to drop into the gutter with the libs to make her point about the "protected victims".

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By the way, yesterday we here in Pittsburgh had a very fine, intelligent, and informative sports talkshow host of 20 years or so terminated because he wasn't obnoxious, offensive, and outrageous enough on the air. The day that outrageousness wins is about the day that this nation is dying! Get it, youngjim?

It's one hell of a decaying country when decency comes in second.

Ann is a fine writer, I have three of her books, but it's past time for her to grow up. She's still a bomb-throwing child, youngjim.

483 posted on 06/14/2006 9:12:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: youngjim
I appreciate your thoughtful post. You wrote: The words she uses are deliberately offensive, casting heat and light. . . .

I'd just note that I've heard rappers use a similar argument in defending their abusive language about women.

BTW, you also mentioned "older FReepers." Heck, lad some of us are just plain old.

Regards.

484 posted on 06/14/2006 9:22:03 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: youngjim

Good for you youngjim... you not only look... YOU SEE.


486 posted on 06/14/2006 9:26:15 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: youngjim
It truly pains me to point this out to you august persons on this thread, but you argue against rhetoric you don't understand.

Your sanctimony is truly breathtaking. You can put lipstick on the pig of Coulter's personal attacks on the marriages of women she knows nothing about (to say nothing about speculating on the motivations of dead men), but you won't convince anybody who doesn't already fawn over this vituperous harridan.

The words she uses are deliberately offensive,

Yes, they are, and they assume a prominent place in the pantheon of gutter talk for which Coulter is already famous. "Cleaning Lady" (Harriett Miers), "Boozing it up again" (President Bush), "ragheads" (Muslims), "We need somebody to put rat poison in Justice Stevens' creme brulee."

As I said earlier, had Coulter walked up to Kristen Breitweiser and spit in her face, you'd be cheering her on.

Then you wonder why the far-right is viewed as a bunch of gap-toothed, shoe-sized IQed neanderthals who can barely walk on two legs.

492 posted on 06/14/2006 9:49:44 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: youngjim
"They are admittedly controversial, and effective in attacking the liberal mind-set."

In this case, Ann's words are NOT effective. They detract from the brilliant substance of her argument.

493 posted on 06/14/2006 9:56:05 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ronaldus Magnimus = The GREAT One!)
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To: youngjim; beyond the sea
From my posts, you see where I stand....

..and I'm about the most conservative, button down, respectful of persons and traditions, establishment person you could find.

But it's obvious, on this thread, I'm more in line with youngjim ....than those 'more august' folk around here :^

Youngjim, I don't know you or how old you are or your political leanings....

..but right now I agree with your posts......and you write very well.

499 posted on 06/14/2006 10:26:46 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: youngjim
The critic compounds the matter by superciliously denouncing the motives of AC's supporters, citing banal observations of how she has offended them and their kin--then claiming against all evidence that AC would sell more books if she would pull her rhetorical punches.

Man, I haven't worked "supercilious" into a conversation in months. Color me impressed.

Excellent post, BTW. As you may have noticed, one or two of the antis are "linguistically challenged" and therefore are ill-equipped to analyze Coulter's weapons and tactics, which you have so ably explicated.

Yet, they blithely soldier on...

;-)

619 posted on 06/14/2006 8:16:30 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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