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More Powerful Fuel Cells Get Closer To Market
Technology Review ^ | June 13, 2006 | By Susan Nasr

Posted on 06/13/2006 5:34:38 AM PDT by aculeus

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1 posted on 06/13/2006 5:34:43 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Yet another step toward one of the solutions.

Energy in the future is going to come from a basket much greater than today. Fuel cells are one of a number of promosing technologies that will be developed.

The sooner the we stop buying oil from the Middle East the better. Slightly higher costs for energy will be paid off in greater independence and security. The only people who will lose are the oil men in and around the White House.

It should be part of the war on terror. It would be a role that everyone could play. Sadly that type of leadership isn't there.


2 posted on 06/13/2006 5:47:56 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (The earth is an endowment. We should take care to spend the interest, not the principle)
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To: aculeus
They remove most of the sulfur from fossil fuels

I wonder if one of the biofuels would work...
3 posted on 06/13/2006 6:33:23 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: aculeus

SOFC are relatively "old hat" in the fuel cell business. The biggest advantage is that they run at sufficiently high temperatures to act as their own "reformers". But they have other problems. One of the biggest is that the solid-oxide (basically a ceramic) is very prone to "thermal shock", so they have to be brought up to operating temperature (and shut down from operation) VERY SLOWLY AND EVENLY. So they will be good for "baseline load" type applications, but not much use for "peaking" type uses.


4 posted on 06/13/2006 6:51:00 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: AntiGuv; PatrickHenry

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5 posted on 06/13/2006 7:13:56 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The sooner the we stop buying oil from the Middle East the better. Slightly higher costs for energy will be paid off in greater independence and security. The only people who will lose are the oil men in and around the White House. It should be part of the war on terror. It would be a role that everyone could play. Sadly that type of leadership isn't there.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Please clarify the proposal if there is one.

6 posted on 06/13/2006 7:16:37 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; Protagoras

Are you implying that this might increase our independence because most domestic supplies are high-sulfur?


7 posted on 06/13/2006 7:44:06 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: aculeus
Getting rid of the (poisonous) H2S effluent might be a problem. One of these things woould probably stink worse than a car with a bad catalytic converter...
8 posted on 06/13/2006 7:47:20 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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No, I was thinking that having a mix of fuels from nuclear to coal to wind, solar and biomass will increase our US independence on oil from the Middle East. That is because the US has all of those things in abundance, but an ever shriking amount of oil.


9 posted on 06/13/2006 7:50:00 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (The earth is an endowment. We should take care to spend the interest, not the principle)
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Hmmm... Come to think of it, I haven't even considered the potential efficiency (or lack thereof) of any biomass fuel as a fuel cell feedstock...

Homework time...

10 posted on 06/13/2006 8:45:24 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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11 posted on 06/13/2006 10:26:29 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"but not much use for "peaking" type uses."

Like driving?


12 posted on 06/13/2006 11:12:56 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"wind...That is because the US has all of those things in abundance,"

An abundance of wind right here, I'm afraid. By the way, I believe we have centuries worth of coal in the ground in the US.


13 posted on 06/13/2006 11:14:51 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: strategofr
By the way, I believe we have centuries worth of coal in the ground in the US.

It is true and so do the Indians, Chinese and Australians. Just have to figure out a way to use the energy stored there without destroying the local, regional or global environment.

Even if you don't think that humans are playing a role in climate change, SOX is real.

Even if the doubling of CO2 concentration over the last 200 years doesn't concern you, if it doubles again, there is no way to know what happens.

Thus if there are cheap ways to gasify coal and also sequester the carbon than it is great. Ultiamtely it may prove cheaper to use other sources of energy.

14 posted on 06/13/2006 11:18:23 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (The earth is an endowment. We should take care to spend the interest, not the principal)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

>Energy in the future is going to come from a basket much greater than today

The magic word is Tokamak


15 posted on 06/13/2006 11:26:18 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Aus is #2 in the world for Uranium... Nuclear power is the direction they should take... instead of just selling the UO...


16 posted on 06/13/2006 11:51:30 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Australia is supposed to have the most uranium of the countries, with Canada second.


17 posted on 06/13/2006 11:18:44 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

World Uranium Mining

July 2005

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf23.htm

Canada produces the largest share of uranium from mines (29% of world supply from mines), followed by Australia (21%).


18 posted on 06/14/2006 8:34:26 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"but an ever shriking amount of oil."

That's a total lie!

California alone has hundreds of years of oil but environmentalists and high taxes keep it trapped in the ground.


19 posted on 06/14/2006 8:44:22 AM PDT by dalereed
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That's a total lie! California alone has hundreds of years of oil but environmentalists and high taxes keep it trapped in the ground.

How is that a lie. Oil is a fossil fuel. Thus, there is no more of it being produced in a time-frame that is relevant to us. Therefore, when you burn it, the amount left shrinks.

Moreover, the figures say that the earth probably had about 6 trillion barrels of oil. We have used about 1 trillion. Of that 6 trillion about 2 trillion are easily recoverable i.e. cheap.

As we finish up with the second trillion over the next 15-20 years we will either have to come up with new technologies for recovering the more difficult stuff, or switch to alternatives that are cheaper.

As far as California having "hundred of years" of oil, you just made that up. Hundreds of years for whom? The US? Calfornia? Your Ford explorer?

20 posted on 06/16/2006 2:06:40 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (The earth is an endowment. We should take care to spend the interest, not the principal)
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