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Democrats Are Winning... Except at the Polls
Creators Syndicate via RealClearPolitics ^ | June 12, 2006 | Michael Barone

Posted on 06/11/2006 10:47:56 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: FreedomNeocon
MANY conservatives are unhappy about domestic policy, but we are VERY UNITED in foriegn policy.

There are a few "conservatives" that are suffering from BDS as well but I sort of believe that "they went from us because they were never of us"

Two thing, domestic policy involves congress, the courts and a whole lot of checks and balances. The Presidency is a minor part of that. But when it comes to foreign policy the President is THE only player that matters.

Second is that domestic missteps are painful and costly to clean up but they are not bloody. Foreign policy missteps are very bloody to clean up.

Most of the war we are in right now was caused by letting a democrat run foreign policy.

22 posted on 06/12/2006 3:22:06 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The bottom 60% does 40% of the work, the top 40% does 60% of the work. Just who are the "workers"?)
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To: staytrue

"Democrats want the US to fail in Iraq and as a country so they can return to power, pick up the pieces and remake the US in their own image.".......I always add a corollary...the observation that the "Democrats can only see opportunity in American misery"...a hangover, I presume, from their halcyon years during the Depression.


24 posted on 06/12/2006 4:01:33 AM PDT by mo
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To: West Coast Conservative

This will go down as the YEAR OF THE ANGRY RAT.


25 posted on 06/12/2006 4:17:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: jmaroneps37; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; LS; LdSentinal; BlackRazor; StarCMC

Barone ping


26 posted on 06/12/2006 5:13:52 AM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
You are absolutely right which is why I have for SIX MONTHS said that the GOP will not only NOT lose seats in the fall, they will GAIN at least one seat (net) in the Senate (perhaps two, depending on Santorum) and will gain one to five seats in the House.

Most "average voters" will say, "Do I really trust these people (the Dems) with national security?" and the answer will be "No." No matter HOW betrayed even some conservatives feel, it's childish to not vote or vote against the ONLY party doing ANYTHING to win this war.

27 posted on 06/12/2006 6:11:43 AM PDT by LS
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Good points, which is why I think the majority of the disgruntled conservatives, and I'm "among 'em, Pee Wee," as Dizzy Dean used to say, will put national security over border/spending/prescrip drugs in the fall. There simply is no alternative.


28 posted on 06/12/2006 6:15:04 AM PDT by LS
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To: Coop

Keep in mind my prediction, now over six months old: the GOP will have a net gain of at least one seat in the Senate (two if Santorum holds) and one to five in the House.


29 posted on 06/12/2006 6:15:50 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS

I've seen no real reason to worry about the GOP's chances this November, with the exception of gubernatorial races. I think the Dems are set up to do well there.


30 posted on 06/12/2006 6:20:17 AM PDT by Coop (FR= a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: devolve

No John, victory is not a strategy. It is the result of having a strategy. That is something no current Democratic leader currently has on tap.


31 posted on 06/12/2006 6:27:43 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The last President from VA named George was good too! Allen in 2008!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

BTTT


32 posted on 06/12/2006 7:14:35 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and 2004 presidential nominee John Kerry all hailed the death of Zarqawi in unequivocal terms.

Mr. Barone's got this one wrong (I sure don't say that very often). Pelosi, Reid and Kerry paid the briefest lip service to hailing Zarqawi's death, and did that only to set up their real point, which was "Withdraw our troops at once!" Reid in particular sounded like he was on the verge of weeping on the Senate floor when he "congratulated" our troops.

Their sentiments clearly lie with Stark, Kucinich and McDermott, as well as John Murtha. They're just too chickensh!t to come out and say it themselves; instead, they'll hide behind these kooks in a vain attempt to "look electable" while trying to appease the far left Deaniacs who run their party.

33 posted on 06/12/2006 7:43:49 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Many of us have been saying this since November 2004. The RATS took off the table their core domestic issues like medicare and education because they can not win on saying that we need more taxes to pay for it. Plus, the only people that will vote for it are their base. They will lose moderates on that as well as gay marriage and abortion.

The RATS tried Culture of Corruption but have been caught in that web also. So that is off the table.

The only thing on the table is foreign policy and more moderates are not in favor of the UN's policies, which have hurt the RATS. In addition, Iraq is not a quagmire, despite what the RATS and the MSM say.

So basically, the RATS have nothing to run on except Bush is a Nazi. While this appeases the base, it does nothing for anyone to the right of Ted Kennedy except put a taste of RAT desperation in their mouths.

Republicans will win more seats. The problem is the RINOS come with the package.


34 posted on 06/12/2006 8:07:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: Torie

Barone weighing in on the state of the union.


35 posted on 06/12/2006 8:11:14 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: taxesareforever

I wonder if the DNC, Kos and the MSM would mourn and gnash their teeth if the wunderkinds of the Dem Party would assume room temperature: say M. Moore, G. Soros, Teddy the K, Pelosi?? Of course, they would cry and tell us all that the end has come. When critics of the USA die, they the black arm bands come out in full force.


36 posted on 06/12/2006 9:26:36 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: West Coast Conservative
In California's 50th, both parties made mammoth turnout efforts, but the balance of turnout and of opinion seems to have remained the same, even though Democrats had a seriously contested primary for governor and Republicans didn't.

Kos seems to conveniently neglect the fact that the Dems had a hot primary battle in his analysis. That was one reason they got so close in the 50th. He's harping on the dollars spent by the Pubs being almost double what the Dems spent.

Barone seems the more objective source of information. He's amazing on election night, he analyzes voting precinct by precinct and has an idea of the changes in precincts since the last election.

37 posted on 06/12/2006 9:27:18 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: phillyfanatic

"I wonder if the DNC, Kos and the MSM would mourn and gnash their teeth if the wunderkinds of the Dem Party would assume room temperature: say M. Moore, G. Soros, Teddy the K, Pelosi??"

Is Ted Kennedy going to live forever?


38 posted on 06/12/2006 9:31:23 AM PDT by no dems ("Mr. President: Put up that wall.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Actually the war is what keeps W afloat
If he would at least admit he is wrong on immigration and do what is needed to correct the problem he would be pooled way above 50%


39 posted on 06/12/2006 9:34:29 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Republicans will win more seats. The problem is the RINOS come with the package.

Going back to at least 1930 and perhaps before the nation has been made up of about 1/3 consevatives, 1/3 liberals and about 1/3 moderates. The moderates are often referred to as swing voters. They sometimes vote for Republicans and sometimes for Democrats.. they often do it in the same election.

In the united states there have been since about 1970 about 17 battleground states. Those states are nearly evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans with the victors in every election determined by the moderates.

Since moderates determine the winners in those states it should be a surprise to no one that those moderate states almost exclusively elect some combination of RINOs and DINOS.

Typically the house will have about 145 Conservative members, 145 liberal members and 145 members who are some combination of RINOs and DINOs. The senate typically will have about 35 Liberal Members and 35 conservative members and about 30 members who are some combination of RINOs and DINOs.

When Democrat manage to elect enough DINOS to the house and senate and also hold the presidency they can work their will. That is what happened in 1964 and as a result LBJ was able to pass the Great Society progams. It was not hard, the Democrats had a nearly 2 to 1 margin in the house and the same in the senate. Republicans did not have enough votes to even filibuster.

Reagan understood that completely. He knew to get much of anything done he had to elect and work with a lot of RINOs. Who do you think Reagan was talking about when he said speak no ill of a fellow Republican? He was trying to prevent conservatives from trashing RINOS.

Reagan knew the only road to actual victory was to find a way to get RINOs to vote with him on important issues.

Ohio is the quentessential battleground State. It is the land where the RINOs and DINOs control election results.

In Ohio the latest University of Cincinnati poll of registered voters, shows that RINO DeWine is defeating Leftist Brawn by 52 to 44.. DeWine went from a 80 percent ACU rating to a 56 rating this year. DeWine figured out he needs to be a RINO to win. Therefore he is a RINO.

If one looks at the states and the voters who control the outcome there is no way to elect a congress with either a liberal or a conservative majority.

For much of the 1930s and again in 1964 Republicans tried to elect all the conservatives they could elect and defeat all the RINOS they could defeat. That gave the Democrats such a large number of DINOS that they had plenty of votes to do most of what they wanted to do.

Today we have about 35 conservatives and about 20 RINOs in the Senate. What we need are 25 RINOs in the senate.

What happens in that situation is the RINOs vote with you on cloture and then 8 or 9 of them vote against the bill on final passage. But final passage only takes 51 votes while Cloture takes 50, so the bill passes.

RINOS and DINOs have been voting for bills before they vote against them long before Kerry let the cat out of the bag.

The odds that voters will elect 60 conservatives to the Senate are slim and none. The only way is to elect enough RINOs and then find a way to work with them to get things done.

In sports and politics, you have to win with the players you have.

Democrats used to welcome every DINO in site. They worked to get the support of some RINOs as well. But today the Democrats are starting to Trash DINOS. Senator Joe Liberman is a case in point.

If enough Demorats start trashing DINOs and consevatives start trying to work with RINOs we might actually get a conservative agenda passed into law.

But I wouldn't bet a lot on it. Too many conservatives think they are a majority in battle ground states. They somehow think that 35 percent of the voters can cast 51 percent of the votes and they speak ill of fellow Republicans.

Perhaps deep down conservatives do not want to win and implement their agenda. They certainly act like that is their goal. The Good news is todays Democrats are doing the same thing.

40 posted on 06/12/2006 10:11:52 AM PDT by Common Tator
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