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Iraqi raises questions on al-Zarqawi death
AP on Yahoo ^ | 6/10/06 | Patrick Quinn - ap

Posted on 06/10/2006 8:57:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. officials have altered their account of the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, saying he was alive and partly conscious after bombs destroyed his hideout, and an Iraqi man raised fresh questions Saturday about the events surrounding the end of Iraq's most-wanted militant.

The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.

When asked about the man's allegations, military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said he would check. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon said Saturday he was unaware of the claim.

The Iraqi, identified as Mohammed Ahmed, claimed that residents put the man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. The American military team then pulled the man from the ambulance and beat him, Ahmed said. He gave a similar account to The Washington Post.

No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account of a man resembling al-Zarqawi being beaten. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.

On Friday, the military said al-Zarqawi survived the dropping of two 500-pound bombs on his hideout. The bombs tore a huge crater in the date palm forest where the house was nestled just outside Baqouba, northwest of Baghdad.

Iraqi police reached the scene first, and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive.

"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," Caldwell, a spokesman for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said Friday.

Iraqi police pulled al-Zarqawi from the flattened home and placed him on a makeshift stretcher. U.S. troops arrived, saw that al-Zarqawi was conscious and tried to provide medical treatment, the spokesman said.

"He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was the U.S. military," Caldwell told Pentagon reporters via videoconference from Baghdad.

Al-Zarqawi "attempted to, sort of, turn away off the stretcher," he said. "Everybody re-secured him back onto the stretcher, but he died almost immediately thereafter from the wounds he'd received from this airstrike."

Caldwell has not mentioned any other physical interaction between U.S. troops and al-Zarqawi.

But Ahmed told AP Television News that a bearded man was still alive and was lying next to an irrigation canal. He claimed that U.S. troops wrapped a traditional Arab robe, known as a dishdasha, over the bearded man's head and beat him. His account could not be independently verified.

AP footage of the date palm grove showed debris — concrete blocks, shoes and sandals — scattered over a wide area around a large crater. Date palms were ripped from their roots around the blast site.

So much blood covered al-Zarqawi's body that U.S. forces cleaned him up before taking photographs.

"Despite the fact that this person actually had no regard for human life, we were not going to treat him in the same manner," Caldwell said.

The airstrike killed two other men and three women who were in the house, but only al-Zarqawi and his spiritual adviser have been positively identified, he said.

From a helicopter hovering above, a wide swath of destruction could be seen. The debris around the site included a women's slip and other pieces of clothing. Charred dresses, torn blankets, thin sponge mattresses and pillows were in the crater itself.

The debris of concrete blocks and twisted metal reinforcement bars included a pillow with a floral pattern, sandals and a foam mattress with the covering torn off. A cooling unit and part of a washing machine also were in the area.

Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said they had a patrol in the area already.

"We didn't know it was Zarqawi, we just knew it was a time-sensitive target," he said at the scene early Saturday. "We suspected who it was."

Caldwell also said experts told him it is not unheard of for people to survive a blast of that magnitude. He said he did not know if al-Zarqawi was inside or outside the house when the bombs struck.

"Well, what we had found, as with anything, first reports are not always fully accurate as we continue the debriefings. But we were not aware yesterday that, in fact, Zarqawi was alive when U.S. forces arrived on the site," Caldwell said.

His recounting of the aftermath of the airstrike could not be independently verified. The Iraqi government confirmed only that Iraqi forces were first on the scene, followed by the Americans.

For three years, al-Zarqawi orchestrated horrific acts of violence guided by his extremist vision of jihad, or holy war — first against the U.S. soldiers he considered occupiers of Arab lands, then against the Shiites he considered infidels.


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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Um, excuse me, but you forgot COLD BLOODED MURDER. COLD CALCULATING LURID FANTASY MURDER.

As I'm sure you know, our Special Ops guys have been under too much pressure, and they were troubled youth to begin with, and Hillary Clinton nearly died when she saw a bombed out hotel in Jordan where Zarkman had massacred a wedding party (but you and I know it's really about the incredible peril Hillary faced), and let's see now, there was a skimpy leopard skin nightie found at the scene, more evidence that the US troops are still using lingerie torture on the "freedom fighters", and what else now? Oh yup, the Spec Ops
guys threw a burqqa over the dying Z and beat him up before he rolled off the stretcher and tried to flee...with no legs. That's a disability beef right there.

Sorry, but over the course of the last two days, the MSM reporting is getting more desperate, more ridiculous, and more laughable. Fools who take us for fools. That evil, murdering POS is dead and we are glad. Reporters like this one, PATRICK QUINN ASSOCIATED PRESS, are saying and doing anything they can to make this bad news. The glare of the TV cameras has turned back on them and they are a sick lot.
101 posted on 06/10/2006 9:35:05 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: TN4Liberty
>>>I would think that once you have dropped 2-500 lb bombs on someone, the need to drag them out and beat them with your fists to bloody their faces would be pretty slight.<<<

Yeah, a reasonable person might come to that conclusion. but we are not dealing with reasonable people here!

I am constantly amazed at the stretches to credulity our enemies, both in Iraq and at home, will claim as fact.

102 posted on 06/10/2006 9:35:15 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: TomGuy

I can just hear some wonderful general somewhere looking at the dead-head picture of the pig and saying--as he walks off--"Frame it."

103 posted on 06/10/2006 9:35:43 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: bray

What's Russert, Stephie, Matthews and Schieffer gonna' do tomorrow... it'll be a riot watching these DNC flacks hemmin' an hawin' all around this!


104 posted on 06/10/2006 9:37:06 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: MrCruncher

Do a google image search on 'zarqawi' and the 3rd pic to the right shows him holding a severed head.

[I won't post the pic here due to sensitivities.]

http://images.google.com/images?q=zarqawi&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images


105 posted on 06/10/2006 9:37:21 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks!


106 posted on 06/10/2006 9:38:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: NormsRevenge

This person should be taken out and beaten for lying. The Iraqis may cut his tongue out anyway.


107 posted on 06/10/2006 9:39:45 AM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: NormsRevenge

We murdered him after we killed him. Gotts love it!


108 posted on 06/10/2006 9:41:14 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Gringos Unite!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

ROFLMAO! They just can't help themselves. The've gotta try some way to try and spin this for the dems or the jihadis.


109 posted on 06/10/2006 9:41:27 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: NormsRevenge

A predictable bump


110 posted on 06/10/2006 9:41:59 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: NormsRevenge
This "tack" was obviously on its way knowing our despicable media. I just hope it has been permanently impressed upon the American public just how much the media hates our troops, and will inevitably "believe" anything that would possibly discredit our armed forces and/or current administration.

Just pitiful.
111 posted on 06/10/2006 9:42:45 AM PDT by Pox
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, Reuters is happy....

Fourteen killed in Iraq as violence rages on
  Posted by Ernest_at_the_Beach
On 06/10/2006 11:41:29 AM CDT


Reuters ^ | Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:03 PM BST13 | Fredrik Dahl and Michael Georgy
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Bombs killed nine people in Baghdad and gunmen shot dead five butchers in Mosul on Saturday, as U.S. President George W. Bush warned that killing al Qaeda's leader in Iraq would not end violence.Bush said U.S. and Iraqi forces will capitalise on the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi by cracking down on insurgents trying to regroup after losing their leader, blamed for some of Iraq's bloodiest attacks since the U.S. invasion in 2003."Coalition and Iraqi forces are seizing this moment to strike the enemies of freedom in Iraq at this time of uncertainty for their cause," he...

112 posted on 06/10/2006 9:43:37 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: NormsRevenge

AP's Central Command didn't waste time, did it? They sought and paid an "Iraqi witness" to tell these lies and misinformation for them. This is AP's SOP in Iraq.


113 posted on 06/10/2006 9:44:24 AM PDT by citizencon
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"The Ass. Press interviewed an insurgent claiming to be a "witness" and are just passing his propaganda on to their comrades living in America so it can be used against the troops and President Bush."
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The military should offer to take more reporters on humvee's through bad areas. BTW, as they do it they should tell them to stick their head out so they can get a better look.
114 posted on 06/10/2006 9:47:19 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.

Oh, please..

115 posted on 06/10/2006 9:47:56 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Allah is the opium pipedream of a desert pedophile...Freeper Ax)
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To: TommyDale

it is possible he saw our guys trying to revive him, beating on his chest, etc - resuscitation/revival techniques can be pretty shocking to watch.


116 posted on 06/10/2006 9:47:59 AM PDT by avital2
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To: AliVeritas

Let's try an experiment. One of you call AP and pretend to be Ahmed weirdbeard. Say you saw American troops risking their lives to save women and children. Let's see if with no corroboration they print that.


117 posted on 06/10/2006 9:50:23 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: sanjacjake

Patrick Quinn AP, the same one that the sixteen year-old (from Florida who flew to Iraq), happened to walk through the war zone right into his spot in the green zone.

He loves to push bombings and inflated death counts also.


118 posted on 06/10/2006 9:50:48 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: avital2

My point exactly.

CPR when he arrested.

Blood from the nostrils due to pulmonary trauma from the overpressure/ fractured ribs/ punctured lungs/ fractured skull/fracturede sinuses.

When medics worked on a badly injured human, it can look like they are trying to kill him.


119 posted on 06/10/2006 9:51:51 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: NormsRevenge
Their source is "the man" ?????

omg . . . this is worse than debka.

120 posted on 06/10/2006 9:52:30 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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