Paleo-Conservatives Departing The Grand Old Party

Renew America ^ | 6/4/2006 | Bonnie Alba

[rmlew]

Actually, there is considereable intelleigence showing Iraqi intelligence worked with Al Qaeda in the 1990's incluiding a plot in the mid-90s in the Phillipines to hijaak airliners.

[rmlew]

Not true. They believe in NORMAL tariffs as there were used over 200 years of US history.
Which puts them at ods with their support for the Confederacy.

The truth is that Paeloconservatism was cobbled together in the 1980's as anti-neoconservatism, not as a coherent political ideology.

[rmlew]

Actually, neocons like immigration.
The Security-minded ones do allow some rationality to intervene in their globalist agenda. They don't want enemies to immigrate and they want immigrants to Americanize.
However, Bill Kristol and friends have no problem with any number of immigrants.

[rmlew]

You do realise that most Paleoconervatives consider Buckley a neocon (actually he is a fusionist-conservative), and saw Reagan was weak.

[rmlew]

. It was the doing of the neo intellectuals. Kristol, Krauthammer, Barnes, McCain, Biden and Albright joined up to prod Clinton into sending the US into the Balkan war. Clinton would never have done it without cover from "conservatives".
Historical check-
Biden is a leftist and Albright a liberal. Krauthammer opposed the Kosovo war.

[Mojave]

They didn't come in here via "open borders", so that is is an amazingly ridiculous thing to say and furthermore has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

When Sept. 11 hijackers Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almihdhar needed help getting fraudulent government-issued photo IDs before embarking on their suicide mission, they hopped into a van and headed to the parking lot of a 7-Eleven store in Falls Church, Va. That's where scores of illegal alien day laborers ply bogus identity documents to other illegal aliens from around the world.

I visited this 7-Eleven while reporting on the national security-immigration nexus. It is a stone's throw from the Pentagon, where Hanjour and Almihdhar deliberately drove Flight 77 into the ground. The parking lot is still to this day often filled with "undocumented" day laborers whom President Bush never fails to extol for doing the jobs Americans won't do (or "aren't doing," as he now hedges).

Local cops I have interviewed suspect that most of these men are here illegally and that they continue to facilitate trade in fake identification documents. But nobody arrests them. We are, as the Million Illegal Alien Marches have demonstrated, a de facto sanctuary nation.

One of the illegal aliens at that 7-Eleven was Luis Alonso Martinez-Flores, a 28-year-old Salvadoran who had been in the United States illegally since 1994. He got in the van and directed the jihadis to a Department of Motor Vehicles Express office nearby; they obtained photo IDs using bogus residential info supplied by Martinez-Flores. That info was also used on ID forms for two other hijackers.

The illegal alien earned $100. One hundred and eighty-four people paid with their lives.

Michelle Malkin

[meema]

Good one, Mojave. I knew that, just didn't know where to find it.
Soooooo. Illegal aliens helped with their papers (as some of them overstayed their visas, which is also illegal.)

[Mojave]

Yep. Conservatives are evil ignorant "isolationists" while neo-conservatives are wise and kind.

Just ask 'em.

[Republican Wildcat]

Ah, they came in doing things illegally - that's not "open borders" ... in any event, that still has nothing to do with the original discussion. This is side-tracking.

[meema]

re: The main difference between Paleocons and Neocons is that Neocons have evolved to recognize that in a world with ICBMs, Terrorism, etc. that an isolationist National Security policy does not and cannot work.)))

My take (and I find myself edging ever closer to traditional populists every year) is that what you call "paleos" are not so much nationalist as Ameerica Firsters. I don't mind at all putting the interests of Americans first.

Neos want also to avoid the nasty truth about the Balkan turnover to the radical Islamists. It was the doing of the neo intellectuals. Kristol, Krauthammer, Barnes, McCain, Biden and Albright joined up to prod Clinton into sending the US into the Balkan war. Clinton would never have done it without cover from "conservatives".

Don't believe me? Google these keywords "Neoconservative Balkans" and "Neoconservative Kristol Balkans" and read all your hegemonic heart desires from the American Prospect.

Neos have a lot to answer for. Now they want to hand over US sovereignty to Mexico, and with that--you've just lost Joe Sixpack. And there's a lot more Joes than elitist Fred Barnes out there.

Good one, Mamzelle. And that's the end of the story.
We will make sure that everyone knows what you, GWB and the Senate Democrats have in store for the USofA and Mexico.
Most people know already, and we will not let them forget.

[eleni121]

I quoted her and was responding to her... not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Paul Ross]

Ironically, though, Newt was a GA delegate for Nelson Rockefeller at the 1968 convention in Miami Beach.

'Zat so?! Wow. That dates me. Bizarre if true. And I agree with your larger point:

I don't think we can put much confidence in him, and neither do his two previous wives.

I suspect we need to junk the entire upper tier of leadership and start afresh. We need to draft people who have been thorns in the side of that old failed and traitorous leadership.

They may not be always pure, but faced with what we currently do...they are vast improvements over Bush/Specter/McCain/Snowe/Hagel/Lugar/Collins/Coleman etc.:

People like:

J.D. Hayworth

Duncan Hunter

Curt Weldon

Tom Tancredo

Mike Pence

John Thun

[tertiary01]

Look at the Dem platform when Hubert Humphrey was running. They were more conservative than Pubs today. Also Jack Kennedy signed a bill lowering taxes.

[tertiary01]

Look at the Dem platform when Hubert Humphrey was running. They were more conservative than Pubs today. Also Jack Kennedy signed a bill lowering taxes.

[A. Pole]

Actually, Rumsfeld/Bush/Romney's etc. spent most of the late seventies twice working against Reagan in the primaries. Guys like Jesse Helms, Paul Laxalt, Bill Buckley and Pat B were the keys to electing Reagan and all worked in or with the administration.

For many it is ancient and forgotten history.

[Theodore R.]

Paul, I believe that GWB did say a year or so ago that the IRS would NOT honor any gay marriages. But he didn't say it very forcefully or very often. I suspect that he hated to sound "divisive." Some think the mere fact that gay marriage is being discussed and very likely to happen in B.C. words, "sooner, rather than later," means the fate of the USA is sealed to doom.

[Theodore R.]

Rumsfeld was Nixon's head of the antipoverty program, I believe. That's how Phil Crane got into Congress, succeeding Rumsfeld in a special election.

[A. Pole]

"None of the 9/11 bombers were from Iraq" Did we attack Afghanistan or Iraq first?

What is your point?

[A. Pole]

"None of the 9/11 bombers were from Iraq." Iraq attacked Kuwait.

So the attack on Kuwait is the latest reason?

[Mojave]

[One of the illegal aliens at that 7-Eleven was Luis Alonso Martinez-Flores, a 28-year-old Salvadoran who had been in the United States illegally since 1994. He got in the van and directed the jihadis to a Department of Motor Vehicles Express office nearby; they obtained photo IDs using bogus residential info supplied by Martinez-Flores. That info was also used on ID forms for two other hijackers. The illegal alien earned $100. One hundred and eighty-four people paid with their lives.]

that's not "open borders"

That's not honesty.