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For some, exit exam taints rite of passage
Contra Costa Times ^ | 6/9/9 | Shirley Dang

Posted on 06/09/2006 6:52:36 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: doc30

On a program on tv they had the attorney defending this girl and someone representing the exit exam. The guy representing the exit exam is the one who said it tests 8th grade proficiency. That is the only time I have heard it.
If it is true it is a shame, it should be shouted from the rooftops. If these kids can't pass an 8th grade proficiency test they have no business whatsoever graduating from high school.


21 posted on 06/09/2006 7:16:46 AM PDT by sheana
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To: ahayes

"If she wants to go into nursing she absolutely needs to be fluent in English"

Apparently you have never been in a hospital in California.

I've haven't been in one as a paitent but even 20 years ago doing work on them there were very few nurses that could speak much english or any at all.


22 posted on 06/09/2006 7:17:51 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: sheana

"I heard somewhere that the high school exit exam actually tests 8th grade proficiency in these subjects."

Actually the tests require 8th to 10th grade skills in math and English. Way tougher than you heard, eh? That's why we're proud to say, "We're California. Our high school graduates have basic skills of at least 8th to 10th graders."

I've got to note that I am awestruck by the admission standards of the colleges the non-graduates will be attending. Remedial math and English classes must be strong points of their curricula.


23 posted on 06/09/2006 7:19:15 AM PDT by hauerf
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To: dalereed

That's frightening. I hope they at least were educated by Spanish speakers? Because I don't think you could learn all of the necessary material in a US school without speaking English.


24 posted on 06/09/2006 7:21:48 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: SmithL
If she can't speak English well enough to pass an 8th grade test she certainly doesn't deserve and American HS diploma.

Maybe she should move to Mexico and graduate there.
25 posted on 06/09/2006 7:23:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: frogjerk
>Obviously, the honor roll at Richmond High doesn't mean much

I once consulted
at a firm where an intern
was a high school grad,

an honor student
on her way to college with
some kind of program

putting her on track
to an entry-level job
with the FBI. [!]

An executive
gave this intern some titles
and told her to go

to the library
and take out the books for him.
When the exec left,

the intern pleaded
with all the secretaries
begging one of them

to go get the books
because the intern said she
was always confused

by how libraries
arranged their books
. [!] Probably,
that intern is now

an agent-in-charge
of some field office . . . (Bad guys
shudder in their boots . . .)

26 posted on 06/09/2006 7:27:19 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: SmithL
After four years at Richmond High, both girls captured a spot on the honor roll. Both plan to attend college. Both dream of entering medicine; Mallory for physical therapy, Valenzuela for nursing.

When Mallory descended the wooden steps, she left proudly clutching a facsimile of the diploma she will pick up next week.

Valenzuela held her own certificate. But in a way, she left empty-handed. She does not qualify for a diploma after failing the English part of the high school exit exam -- a denial she keenly felt during the ceremony.

The fact that this girl somehow made the honor roll without being able to pass the English portion of the exit exam is a stinging indictment on the quality of education in the state of California.

27 posted on 06/09/2006 7:31:17 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: hauerf

see post #21. I explained where I heard it.


28 posted on 06/09/2006 7:34:37 AM PDT by sheana
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To: SmithL

man !

how rude to expect these kids to actually have learned something and be able to prove it !

I always thought a diploma was a decent attendance award...

*rolls eyes*


29 posted on 06/09/2006 7:36:02 AM PDT by conservative physics
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To: SmithL
The 17-year-old leaves for Knoxville College in Tennessee at the end of summer.

The girl that actually did graduate is going to Knoxville College? Well, I guess if she's from the slums of LA, she'll feel right at home...

KC is a "traditionally african-american" college which lost its accreditation several years ago. I did remodeling work at KC in the main dorm years ago, when the building was on the verge of being condemned. (It was only about 15 years old, but the kids had destroyed it) The students, 99% of which hadn't been on campus before arriving, had rioted over the living conditions, so the "college" did just enough work to make them semi-livable.

Although I hate to say it, the students appeared to be a rowdy collection of kids that wouldn't have qualified to attend college elsewhere. A KC janitor I talked to said the "college" busses in kids from the inner cities, and most have no means to leave when they see what the place is like. There is no discipline, and Knoxville College was at that time complete chaos.

Fletcher J

30 posted on 06/09/2006 7:40:42 AM PDT by Fletcher J
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To: xsmommy

Donde esta papa?
Papa no aqui.

So she had the baby when she was 14 or 15?


31 posted on 06/09/2006 7:52:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: twigs

Amen. She won't make it through the nursing program if she can't use English proficiently.

You think English is hard, little girl? Try anatomy, physiology, organic chemistry, pharamacology....in ENGLISH.

I'll put her down as a future loser of America, who will then blame it on the system.


32 posted on 06/09/2006 8:12:05 AM PDT by bordergal
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To: twigs
I want my nurses to speak, understand and use the English language proficiently.

Oh, come on! Doctor orders an enema for you and she gives you an empenada. Or the surgeon asks for a retractor and she pulls out her retainer. If you were more culturally aware, you'd understand her better and put up with this little nagging problems. /sarcasm

33 posted on 06/09/2006 8:23:30 AM PDT by pikachu (I do not see the glass as half full or half empty but as the Jack Daniels is gone and the ice melted)
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To: SmithL

Let me get this straight: this cage liner is claiming that a kid that cannot pass 10th grade English "is being thwarted from her desire to go into medicine by an evil school administration." I didn't realize that careers in medicine were available to people who cannot graduate from high school. I'm REALLY GLAD, however.


34 posted on 06/09/2006 8:44:17 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: hauerf; sheana
Actually the tests require 8th to 10th grade skills in math and English. Way tougher than you heard, eh? That's why we're proud to say, "We're California. Our high school graduates have basic skills of at least 8th to 10th graders."

They also have a total of 6 times to take and pass these exams. Once in the 10th grade, twice in the 11th and 3 times in their senior year.

After taking it the first time, and if they fail it, they know where they need extra help. Also, a passing grade is 55% (in math, I believe) and 60% on the English portion.

35 posted on 06/09/2006 9:17:26 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: SmithL

If they are not going to graduate why do they get to walk across the stage in the ceremony with their betters?


36 posted on 06/09/2006 9:19:06 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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If they are not going to graduate why do they get to walk across the stage in the ceremony with their betters?

To pick up their self-esteem certificates and paper hats.

37 posted on 06/09/2006 10:06:34 AM PDT by SmithL (If they can't find Hoffa, it proves he never existed.)
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To: sheana
8th grade math and 10th grade English skill is what the exam tests. Keep in mind the exam can be taken as many times as you need to pass. I have zero sympathy for these whiners.

The ability to get on honor roll without such skill is a horrible bell weather:

...Both girls captured a spot on the honor roll. Both plan to attend college. Both dream of entering medicine... Valenzuela for nursing.

Newsflash to Valenzuela: if she's not a Filipina she might as well not bother with nursing in CA.

38 posted on 06/09/2006 1:07:52 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: SmithL
"I am not OK with that," Valenzuela said.

Well you should have studied your school work, done your homework and not screwed around.

Better to learn this now rather than never.

39 posted on 06/09/2006 1:10:07 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmithL

She can't read at a 4th-grade level but she's going to be a doctor?


40 posted on 06/09/2006 1:11:27 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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