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The Rich Get Richer (So what, pray tell, is wrong with that statement?)
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | June 6, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 06/06/2006 8:00:27 AM PDT by wita

A society always gets more of whatever it subsidizes, whether it's corn, tobacco or the idle rich. And subsidizing spoiled heiresses at the expense of, well, everyone else is the goal of those members of Congress who are pushing to greatly reduce, or even repeal, the federal estate tax. Despite reams of data that show that the estate tax only touches the top 1 percent of U.S. taxpayers, and despite the fact that the Mom and Pop businesses and family farms of the sort that earn our sympathy simply are not affected by this tax, the repeal has already passed the House and was near approval in the Senate last year before Hurricane Katrina disrupted everything. If the government took the money and burned it, then one could argue that the tax on estates worth more than $2 million was just punitive class warfare. But because the money pays for things that benefit everyone, the government's 90-year history of taxing the transfer of large pots of money from one generation to the next is both reasonable and fair.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beggarthyneighbor; deathtax; estatetaxrepeal; taxes
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Excuse the excerpt. Not sure if this paper is one that requires it or not, so to be safe...
1 posted on 06/06/2006 8:00:30 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Won't be around too much longer as it is vote day, however, I can walk to my polling place.


2 posted on 06/06/2006 8:02:14 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wita

If I remember, it seems the repeal of the state Estate tax is on the ballot for today.


3 posted on 06/06/2006 8:03:05 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wita
>>>>If the government took the money and burned it, then one could argue that the tax on estates worth more than $2 million was just punitive class warfare.

I'd rather they take the money and burn it than a lot of things our Federal Government subsidizes.
4 posted on 06/06/2006 8:03:15 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: .cnI redruM

I think the word subsidize is a real stretch when attempting to relate it to the estate tax. They have already taken a bounteous share of what the rich make in comparison to the poor, but to have to give it back is foreign to the nature.


5 posted on 06/06/2006 8:05:46 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: .cnI redruM

LOl...no kidding. I work hard (except when I am perusing FR!)...I want to give my money/assets to my children, not some a$$hole on the country's dole. The tax needs to go.


6 posted on 06/06/2006 8:07:06 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: wita

a high tide lifts all boats - John F Kennedy


7 posted on 06/06/2006 8:09:31 AM PDT by llevrok (The next greatest generation is now.)
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To: wita
The estate tax should go, I agree. What I found vexing was the author's attempt to claim our government wasn't playing Robin Hood for all the wrong reasons.
8 posted on 06/06/2006 8:11:01 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: Tulane

Opponents don't ever zero in on what the money stolen from the rich actually ends up accomplishing other than enriching government and reducing the rich to not so rich. As long as the money stays out of the hands of the rich so that they won't be hiring new people, providing new jobs, spending it in local business, donating to worthy causes, etc etc.


9 posted on 06/06/2006 8:11:39 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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Sure, the rich of plenty of subsidies, but an estate tax is about the last thing that could be called a subsidy.

What government services are consumed in this transfer of wealth that justify a tax? Almost none.


10 posted on 06/06/2006 8:12:14 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: .cnI redruM

The author fails to mention most of the assets passed down the line have already been taxed! I bet this guy would also have a problem with sin taxes (alcohol, tobacco, and gambling) because they are "regressive." Don't get me wrong, I don't like those taxes either...but come on!

Liberals make my blood boil some times...must...calm...down...


11 posted on 06/06/2006 8:13:15 AM PDT by Tulane
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"As long as the money stays out of the hands of the rich so that they won't be hiring new people, providing new jobs, spending it in local business, donating to worthy causes, etc etc."

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The "donating to worthy cause" line reminded me of one of our neghbors (modest wealth/ extremely liberal). The wife was complaining that her grandmother's estate was nearly liquidated by the estate tax, and that she just knew "that grandma would have wanted to donate the money to PITA or something...."

My wife said she could see the flames shooting out of my eyes, at that moment.


12 posted on 06/06/2006 8:16:56 AM PDT by Tulane
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Despite reams of data that show that the estate tax only touches the top 1 percent of U.S. taxpayers.

This is a classic Liberal Lie, repeated endlessly, derived from a purposefully misleading statistic. It is so easy to disprove that it's continued use is baffling. Nonetheless, here goes:

When a person dies, their estate is transferred to their heirs according to the terms of their will, trust, or by court decree. A person's estate typically consists of the accumulated wealth of a lifetime, including cash, personal property and real estate. Therefore, the decedent's stated income for the year in which they died is typically far more than they ever earned while they were alive, frequently placing them in the dreaded "Top 1%" of taxpayers for that year, and that year alone.

So, the same person who perhaps was never even among the top 20% of earners during their entire lives is now counted among the "wealthy", if only by greedy socialists looking to rifle through someone else's pockets. Of course, they always try to justify their attempts at theft by appeals to class envy - "greedy heiresses" being a common theme.

13 posted on 06/06/2006 8:18:59 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: wita

You know the leftists are winning the war of words when they can with a straight face call not stealing your wealth a 'subsidy'.


14 posted on 06/06/2006 8:19:45 AM PDT by somniferum
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To: wita

The dirty secret is that middle class families are hit by the estate tax. The real rich, aka the Kennedys, the Kerry-Heinzes, the Soros, etc. can afford the loopholes and off-shore accounts.


15 posted on 06/06/2006 8:20:48 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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Any tax that only affects 1% of our countries citizens should be repealed on 14th Amendment grounds.


16 posted on 06/06/2006 8:20:51 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Of course, they always try to justify their attempts at theft by appeals to class envy - "greedy heiresses" being a common theme.


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That phrase caught me as well...talk about class warfare. Of course I can play that game, too...

"Liberals steal money from grieving widows in order to give to LAZY, GOOD FOR NOTHING, CHILD-OUT-OF-WEDLOCK-HAVING, losers."

Ahh class warfare. Ain't it grand?


17 posted on 06/06/2006 8:22:21 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: wita
Article is an exceptionally weak (and mostly emotional) argumentation against estate tax repeal.

The rich "who were born to it[wealth] at the expense of people who could, given the chance, earn their own"?? Yeah, they rob people rotten and deprive them of any opportunity to earn their own money, so, the only way is to darn take it all when the "rich" a**hole dies.

BTW, a nice touch - a notion that not taking someone else's money is equal to subsidizing that someone else. I guess a hell of lot people just subsidized me (many thanks to all the muggers out there).
18 posted on 06/06/2006 8:24:46 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: wita

2 million is a pittance in some areas of the country.

It will barely buy a 1000 sq ft condo in Manhatten

It will buy 2 4000 sq ft homes in suburban Wash DC.

It will provide a decent but not lavish retirement for a couple.

It will buy a small cottage in Palo Alto.

Now in Columbus Ohio, it will buy the mother of all houses.


19 posted on 06/06/2006 8:25:05 AM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Exactly.


20 posted on 06/06/2006 8:27:12 AM PDT by alecqss
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