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Posted on 06/06/2006 5:49:25 AM PDT by SJackson
From my understanding of Bush's plan...there would be a renewable 3 year limit, but the total time in this country could not exceed 6 years. After that, they must reapply from outside the country and will be placed at the back of the line. Therefore, it doesn't provide for automatic citizenship while still in this country for those six years. On the wage issue, the employer would be required to conform to all labor standards, including minimum wage requirements and equal pay standards.
Recall time!
Ah, but disagreeing with him is apparently stabbing him in the back.....
susie
Why do you believe the American taxpayer should pay for their children's education?
susie
"ADJUDICATION OFFICER QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: GS-9: You qualify at the GS-9 level if you possess one year of specialized experience that equipped you with the skills needed to perform the job duties. This experience must have been equivalent to at least the GS-7 grade level.
Examples include assisting individuals applying for immigration benefits by examining documents for authenticity; researching and analyzing appropriate information; and responding to general inquiries regarding immigration benefits and entitlements.
GS-11: You qualify at the GS-11 level if you possess one year of specialized experience that equipped you with the skills needed to perform the job duties. This experience must have been equivalent to at least the GS-9 grade level. Examples include making final determinations on non-sensitive, routine immigration benefit requests that involve determining applicant credibility, analyzing evidence, and applying statutory requirements, regulations and judicial and administrative precedents.
GS-12: You qualify at the GS-12 level if you possess one year of specialized experience that equipped you with the skills needed to perform the job duties. This experience must have been equivalent to at least the GS-11 grade level. Examples include making final determinations on complex immigration cases involving eligibility for citizenship, suspension of deportation, and immigration benefits; and writing final determinations with legal analysis to support decision.
Education: GS-9: You may substitute a Master s degree or 2 full years of graduate education in any field or a J.D. or L.L.B. degree for experience required at the GS-9 grade level. Such education must have been obtained in an accredited college or university and demonstrate the knowledge, skills, and abilities necessary to do the work of this position. Check with your school to determine how many credit hours comprise two years of graduate education. If that information is not available, use 36 semester or 54 quarter hours.
GS-11: You may substitute a doctoral degree or three full years of progressively higher-level graduate education leading to such a degree in any field for experience at the GS-11 grade level. Such education must have been obtained in an accredited college or university and demonstrate the knowledge, skills, and abilities necessary to do the work of this position. Check with your school to determine how many credit hours comprise three years of graduate study. If that information is not available, use 54 semester or 81 quarter hours. Appropriate combinations of successfully completed post-high school education and experience also may be used to meet the total qualification requirements for the GS-9 and 11 grade levels. (Refer to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection web site at www.cbp.gov for information on how to combine experience and education.)"
I believe that illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, to pay their taxes, to learn English, and to work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be able to apply for citizenship, but approval would not be automatic, and they will have to wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law. What I've just described is not amnesty, it is a way for those who have broken the law to pay their debt to society, and demonstrate the character that makes a good citizen.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060515-8.html
susie
How will we enforce the 6 year limit, if everyone says we cannot possibley deport massive numbers of people? What on earth makes us imagine that suddenly, folks who have been flaunting our laws for at least 5 years (and many for much longer) will now suddenly follow the laws, even when they are not in their favor?
susie
From my understanding, there will be a database so we will know where they are at that will "flag" their file by expiration date. If they overstay, they will definitely be deported when caught and that will be used against them as a criminal act if they ever do apply legally from outside the country. Therefore, there is a kind of built-in incentive for them to abide by the law.
Irregardless of their status, they all pay property and sales taxes the same as you and I...even rentals have that built in to the lease.
Let's have this conversation again in about 5 years, and see if you are right, or I am right. You have far more confidence in our politicos than I do.
susie
You make a valid point, however, I would prefer a temporary guestworker program that does not encourage them to bring their families. Their kids are not going to want to leave after being raised in the US and going to American schools. We will have a good sized class of folks who are second class people (because they are not citizens) and I think this will be problematic.
susie
HOW can all those new democrat voters AID the republican party in any way?..
Bush is extremely DUMB or extremely smart..
I go with the Smart.. He WANTS to invigorate the democrat party..
Because it WILL.. The only question is WHY?..
The answer(s) might be disturbing.. (to RINOs)..
The end of the line would likely mean twenty plus years. Legal immigration runs about 900,000 a year. I'm told the wait for citizenship runs about ten years. We'r not cutting those numbers. In order to legalize a dozen years of of legal immigrants in one swoop, "shorten" the line, and still accomodate ongoing legal immigration (think family members), the various bills provide for increases in the levels of immigration. We're going to have to endure an extended period of assimilation, hopefully, and the social costs that go with it. As to wages, of course employers will comply with the law, including minimum wage. I'll speculate that over the next few years you'll see compensation for many occupations in fields like construction and trucking trending downward, toward the minimum wage.
Because the kids are going to be living here. For at least six years, but we both know that number is a strawman, the migrant laborers will never be sent home barring a severe recession. The liklihood is they'll be here forever, and they'll be a social burden if left uneducated.
Personally, I'd like to see the costs paid thru increased property taxes on business, but that's a local issue, and it won't happen most places.
Recall time!>>
There is no "recall" for Federal offices.
So, in other words, a temporary guestworker program, even with GOOD intentions is just another way to have mass migration from the south.
susie
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To the extent of the non-amnesty, amnesty, yes.
The Senate bill provides for 325,000 new H-2C (permant residence and eventual citizenship) visas year one, with 20% per year increases allowed if there's demand from business. That's worldwide. My guess, there are plenty of unskilled workers in the refugee camps of Africa and the Middle East who will gladly work for minimum wage. And they'll scrape up the $ for airfare if employers won't. Not to mention semi-skilled and skilled workers from India, Pakistan and the Phillipines who'll be willing to compete with American pay scales.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060515-8.html
I believe that illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, to pay their taxes, to learn English, and to work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be able to apply for citizenship,
So basically in the presidents eyes our lives are a neverending daily penalty. We pay taxes hold jobs and learned english and he thinks that sucks so bad for us serfs that it would be a great punishment for foreign lawbreakers.
I guess there's nothing but throw out those wascally Repubicans, and let the Democrats elect Hillary for life, abort our grandchildren and abolish American sovreignity in place with a UN peacekeeping army to supervise our elections.
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