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To: netmilsmom
And both my Mom and Dad were virgins when married in 1950. I was until 34 years old. It can be done. It just takes some creativity.

Just don't get too 'Creative', the church has thought of that, as well. Evidently, the natural act of 'touching' oneself is still a disorder in that little neighborhood inside of Rome :


Excerpt from: PERSONA HUMANA
IX
The traditional Catholic doctrine that masturbation constitutes a grave moral disorder is often called into doubt or expressly denied today. It is said that psychology and sociology show that it is a normal phenomenon of sexual development, especially among the young. It is stated that there is real and serious fault only in the measure that the subject deliberately indulges in solitary pleasure closed in on self ("ipsation"), because in this case the act would indeed be radically opposed to the loving communion between persons of different sex which some hold is what is principally sought in the use of the sexual faculty.
This opinion is contradictory to the teaching and pastoral practice of the Catholic Church. Whatever the force of certain arguments of a biological and philosophical nature, which have sometimes been used by theologians, in fact both the Magisterium of the Church - in the course of a constant tradition - and the moral sense of the faithful have declared without hesitation that masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously disordered act.[19] The main reason is that, whatever the motive for acting this way, the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside normal conjugal relations essentially contradicts the finality of the faculty. For it lacks the sexual relationship called for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes "the full sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love."[20] All deliberate exercise of sexuality must be reserved to this regular relationship. Even if it cannot be proved that Scripture condemns this sin by name, the tradition of the Church has rightly understood it to be condemned in the New Testament when the latter speaks of "impurity," "unchasteness" and other vices contrary to chastity and continence.
Sociological surveys are able to show the frequency of this disorder according to the places, populations or circumstances studied. In this way facts are discovered, but facts do not constitute a criterion for judging the moral value of human acts.[21] The frequency of the phenomenon in question is certainly to be linked with man's innate weakness following original sin; but it is also to be linked with the loss of a sense of God, with the corruption of morals engendered by the commercialization of vice, with the unrestrained licentiousness of so many public entertainments and publications, as well as with the neglect of modesty, which is the guardian of chastity.
On the subject of masturbation modern psychology provides much valid and useful information for formulating a more equitable judgment on moral responsibility and for orienting pastoral action. Psychology helps one to see how the immaturity of adolescence (which can sometimes persist after that age), psychological imbalance or habit can influence behavior, diminishing the deliberate character of the act and bringing about a situation whereby subjectively there may not always be serious fault. But in general, the absence of serious responsibility must not be presumed; this would be to misunderstand people's moral capacity.
In the pastoral ministry, in order to form an adequate judgment in concrete cases, the habitual behavior of people will be considered in its totality, not only with regard to the individual's practice of charity and of justice but also with regard to the individual's care in observing the particular precepts of chastity. In particular, one will have to examine whether the individual is using the necessary means, both natural and supernatural, which Christian asceticism from its long experience recommends for overcoming the passions and progressing in virtue.
42 posted on 06/06/2006 7:03:28 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: BritExPatInFla
Evidently, the natural act of 'touching' oneself is still a disorder in that little neighborhood inside of Rome

Thank God they haven't sold out, like almost everyone else has.

44 posted on 06/06/2006 7:05:03 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: BritExPatInFla
On the subject of masturbation modern psychology provides much valid and useful information for formulating a more equitable judgment on moral responsibility and for orienting pastoral action. Psychology helps one to see how the immaturity of adolescence (which can sometimes persist after that age), psychological imbalance or habit can influence behavior, diminishing the deliberate character of the act and bringing about a situation whereby subjectively there may not always be serious fault. But in general, the absence of serious responsibility must not be presumed; this would be to misunderstand people's moral capacity.

As a practical matter, almost all adolescent males masturbate, more or less. Pastorally, it would be presumptuous to hold that all of these young males are guilty of sin that will keep them from the eternal vision of God. Often, it can be helpful to see the repetition of this solitary act as a growth phase from which the vast majority of men emerge ready to share themselves with a spouse.

In some cases, a habit remains, which is still likely not subjectively sinful. A man should work to overcome this, and reserve himself for his spouse.

Human weakness in the area of sexuality is most often the reason for failure. One should not put one's self in some little corner of hell, or leave the Church out of frustration as it calls us to perfection. We will never be perfect, but we can rely on God's help, and each others' help, in growing past any addictive behavior in this or any other area.

78 posted on 06/06/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: BritExPatInFla

Thanks for sharing but masterbation was not what I was talking about.

Sometimes the satisfaction of knowing that one is waiting for the right person is enough.


98 posted on 06/06/2006 9:53:08 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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