Nah, got a couple of my own I like just fine. Thanks anyway.
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Posted on 06/05/2006 4:53:41 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
I was watching a salt crystal grow. It is highly organized matter. Near as I can tell, its function is to attach more sodium and chloride ions to itself as it grows. It has been quite successful at this--it started out as a 'seed' about 1/2 mm across, when I first saw it (but it surely started much smaller), and now it is about 9 mm in all 3 dimensions. I am sure from science courses that this crystal is highly organized. Whether it has many emotions, I have no way of knowing.
Perhaps you will exccuse me if I am skeptical that "organized matter" is proof of God or the foundation of morality.
BTT
I would not expect salt crystals to serve as proof of the existence of God. Science does not deal much in proofs in the first place. But I am fairly well convinced, just as you are, that the salt crystals we observe are examples of organized matter that performs specific functions. Do you have a scientific basis for discounting intelligent design as operative in what you observe in this case? If so, what is it? And is it a better explanantion? If so, why? Because it discounts anything that might be in accord with biblical texts?
Methinks your oppostion to intelligent design as science does not have scientific, let alone legal, merit in and of itself. Repent!
Well, a good laugh is one of the rewards, isn't it?
But please note: I have not called you or anyone else any names. I have been concientious in referencing posts I reply to, as I see it to be clear in posting. Not many do this.
But I have never called anyone a name, and I resent the accusation. If you get a good laugh from my posts, that's fair enough.
Laughter from creationists/IDists often substitutes for being unable to answer fair questions.
So then, we are at odds as to where the facts lead. You would like Judge Jones to carry your water and enforce your conclusions by law. Me? I want your conclusions to be freely available, and others to test them insofar as they are capable of testing. Unfortunately the better part of your application of the facts, like your assumptions, is beyond testing.
You're right, I don't particularly care for where your interpretation of the facts leads. But that does not mean I want to outlaw the same. I am biased. I accept the biblical texts as authoritative and accurate. But that does not mean everyone else in the world must view physical reality the same way I do. Too bad you and your cheerleaders do not have the testicular fortitude to accept other interpretations of the facts, i.e. theories that might have religious implications. You get to play the part of tyrant.
You can cry and wail all day long that my interpretation of the facts is "not scientific." But your own objections? What are they? Scientific? Hardly. You have a good grasp, IMO, on the facts. But like myself, you must struggle with what they mean. Your contribution in that regard is worth consideration, but it is not worthy of sole consideration in the public arena.
Good night Fester.
Good night. Don't forget to shave.
I do not have a basis for rejecting the notion that each sodium ion and chloride ion is individually positioned by a particular god on the surfaces of this crystal in my kitchen. It might be so. It might be due to pixies. On the whole, I like pixies, and I somewhat lean toward van der Waals forces, localized solution dynamics, and the temperature- and concentration-dependent factors. I may be wrong, but my son is not very inclined to the pixie theory.
It seems weird to me that IDists/Creationists disapprove of randomness. I think that which sodium ion gets set down on the crystal's face as it grows is pretty random. Despite this randomness, the crystal grows.
By extension, which sperm among millions happens to unite with one randomly produced egg at one particular time is pretty close to a random event. There is a view that EVERYTHING is directed by a "higher force".
I am not now inclined to repent in favor of an invisible entity that directs each and every ion, atom, molecule and cell. This pains me to give up my faith in pixies.
I did not suggest that each particle of a salt crystal would, or should, be the object of the intellectual and physical efforts of a certain person. If you make a shovel, do you expect its users to detect your brain cells and TLC in every aspect of the implement? Like yourself, they would hardly give a rat's behind about who made the shovel, even though under certain conditions it might possibly save their life.
But you think science is not only capable of discarding intelligent design in cases where organized matter performs specific functions, but obligated to do so because this idea has religious implications. How scientific of you!
Noah's wife put her foot down....
I resemble that remark!
Try Schroedinger's cat. That way, if you never go to change the litter, you'll never know if it needs it.
A great gift for those less-than-fastidious homeowners...
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The scientific word (Star Wars) is Han Solo.
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I thought creatine aided in metabolism of fats...
At least, that's what the label said.
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Unless it involves Islam apparently. Hint: if you don't want to read the whole thing, hit and search for 'fishabc123' and read the email there.
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Awfully broad brush there, especially as many of the pro-evo's on this thread claim specifically to be Christians.
Full Disclosure: Quick, where's that bucket of turpentine?
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No, it also predicts on the basis of models formed from observation made (one hopes) under controlled conditions.
IDists yearn for a "science" or belief that tells them what they ought to do, what will satisfy their 'souls', and, most importantly, how to judge and condemn others.
Appears to be a blanket generalization. Do you judge this to be universally true, or just 'typical' of them? Give specific examples.
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Nah, got a couple of my own I like just fine. Thanks anyway.
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