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Decrease in black students alarms UCLA
Baltimore Sun ^ | 6/4/06 | Rebecca Trounson

Posted on 06/04/2006 9:30:35 AM PDT by mathprof

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To: blueminnesota

"with minority students disproportionately affected because they often attend schools with fewer resources, including less-qualified teachers and fewer counselors."

Strange, that doesn't seem to affect those who attend parochial schools (woefully underfunded compared to public schools, and which generally use outdated facilities)

or those who are homeschooled.


21 posted on 06/04/2006 9:50:01 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: blueminnesota
The situation is too late to fix by the time these kids get to college, they are too far behind and need too much remedial help.

The California public schools and the families share the responsibility for failure. The Federal Department of Education and the teachers unions get big assists,

22 posted on 06/04/2006 9:50:53 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: mathprof

Just change the definition of "black" to "colored", and count asians as blacks. That'll boost the numbers.

/sarc


23 posted on 06/04/2006 9:51:59 AM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: mathprof
I thought admissions to the various Cal campuses was suppose to be racially blind. So how do they know how many of each race is going to enroll? Also this article did not gave the breakdown of enrollment by sex. They must have this if they know what is by race.
24 posted on 06/04/2006 9:56:40 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: mathprof
And of the black freshmen who have indicated they will enroll in the fall, 20 are recruited athletes,

20% of black students go to college on scholarships?

Where's the equality in that?

25 posted on 06/04/2006 9:56:47 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: OldChicago23
The problem, of course, is that black culture just does not emphasize academic achievement.

I think another factor is that ethnic background and race are being diluted as more and more people intermarry among different cultures and races. I don;t know what UCLA considers 'black,' and the other alternative is self identification of race/ethnic background. If a person is 1/4 black, for example, 1/2 native american, and 1/4 Italian, they might not self identify as 'black,' and the school might not identify them as 'black,' either.

I know a very attractive black woman in NYC. Actually, she just looks black, she isn't all that black. Her ethnic background includes Jamaican, German, Native American, Irish, and Asian. Her father has lighter skin than I do (I'm Full Blooded Italian, Sicilian actually), and he is more 'black' than she is when it comes to ancestry.

Not that long ago it wasn't unusual for a person in the USA to be a full blooded Italian, Irish, German, Greek, whatever. In a relatively short time, that's changed.

I don't tend to think any of this is a bad thing in the least. But a 1970s concept of race & ethnic background already has problems cutting it in the early 21st century, and will grow increasingly meaningless in the decades ahead.

26 posted on 06/04/2006 9:57:35 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: mathprof

Have they considered self-flogging?

I swear, the charicature of the self-loathing liberal... is not a charicature. Their reality is more pathetic than any skilled demagogue can parody or ridicule with satire.


27 posted on 06/04/2006 9:59:39 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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I spelled caricature wrong. So sue me.


28 posted on 06/04/2006 10:00:37 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: mathprof
Oddly enough, right here on Free Republic you can hear other people complaining about the decrease in male students at college and blaming the system.
29 posted on 06/04/2006 10:00:59 AM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: OldChicago23

Yes, academic achievement is not something black youngsters consider important. They see it as a "white thing"; thus, to be avoided.

Bill Cosby tried to point this out and was nearly run out of the country by the NAACP.

Until there's a basic change in attitude on the part of the MSM and Dem party, who glorify this debased subculture, it's going to go on.


30 posted on 06/04/2006 10:02:00 AM PDT by kjo
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That's right. A lot of people get mad as hell when confronted with that truth but it is what it is. That attitude is starting to infect a lot of demographics, not just blacks. I saw a fair share of it growing up myself.

In my high school there was an acceptable level of mediocrity that was set up. If you go above it, then you're a sell-out/brown-noser/ass-kisser (the black folks call it being an "Uncle Tom"). Academic achievment means that you get ostracized for not being cool. You're not hip. You don't get to hang with the cool kids and the girls, ironically enough, think you're a loser. They'd rather go hang with the rebel partier types. You're blindly accepting the BS that your parents are shoveling. It starts right around 5th grade. Getting good grades, deciding that you want to be in a profession instead of work manual labor, and not constantly voicing how much you hate or are bored by everything is automatically equated with being a nerd, a sheep, and a butt-kisser.

I see the same stuff among the mechanics where I work. If you have an education beyond high school, you're a butt-kisser automatically. You're selling out your manhood for a paycheck. I see a lot of guys who have worked the same drudgery for 40 years, while complaining that they hate every minute of it, what a-holes the bosses are, how the engineers are a bunch of brown-nosing faggots, etc., because being "one of the guys" is more important that moving up or doing something else for a living.

31 posted on 06/04/2006 10:02:07 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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I wonder if somewhere in the article it should have mentioned the 'anti-academic' attitude of many black students who put peer pressure against students who try to achieve academically for 'acting white.'

If you have a generation that turns away from academics as a way up and out of the ghetto and the lower economic class, then you are going to reap the whirlwind of lower applications and fewer qualified students, especially at schools who traditionally have had fine reputations for academic excellence.


32 posted on 06/04/2006 10:05:44 AM PDT by wildbill
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on Free Republic you can hear other people complaining about the decrease in male students at college and blaming the system.

I come from a time when males dominated college enrollment and you can count me in as one of the complainers.

33 posted on 06/04/2006 10:06:24 AM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: gondramB
Oddly enough, right here on Free Republic you can hear other people complaining about the decrease in male students at college and blaming the system.

No kidding. Sickening.

34 posted on 06/04/2006 10:07:54 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: OldChicago23
If you're black and you like to read books and be well-educated, you will be called "white".

In order to achieve, you have to be sort of an outsider because the black community would most likely shun you.

It is difficult for young black people to resist massive pressure.

35 posted on 06/04/2006 10:10:38 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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Leading to the question; "How many blacks applied??"


36 posted on 06/04/2006 10:12:41 AM PDT by Bernard (God helps those who helps themselves - The US Government takes in the rest.)
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To: mathprof

I just have to think that there's money involved somehow. More gubmint funds if they meet a quota, perhaps?

Otherwise, if they've got a full student body, what's the problem?


37 posted on 06/04/2006 10:22:56 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: OldChicago23

Actually, I must say that there's a turn around. Black culture is finally starting to embrace education. Everybody in the old 'hood is now in some kind of college and they want to do something with their lives instead of go clubbing and drinking crystale all day and smoking pot.


38 posted on 06/04/2006 10:27:42 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: mathprof; All
Check out some comments from yesterday's thread (LA Times article).

A Startling Statistic at UCLA .. only 96 blacks are expected in this fall's freshman class.

Check the ebonics translation #47 by Drango (LOL)

39 posted on 06/04/2006 10:28:36 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Don't mess with Texas' Senators <"No amnesty! No how. No way." >)
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"Clearly, we're going to have to meet this crisis by redoubling our efforts, which have not yielded the results we'd like to see," said Chancellor Albert Carnesale

Yes, obviously this is a problem with the recruiters, not the candidates themselves.

40 posted on 06/04/2006 10:35:18 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (We want our day: A day without hearing SPANISH ...)
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