It pays to be an illegal

The Pittsburgh Tribune Revue ^ | 6/4/2006 | Ann Coulter

[petkus]

If Congress adopts the Bush plan and gives amnesty to illegal aliens, Senate Republicans will be asking President Cheney for a pardon. Bush wants to grant illegal aliens amnesty while sounding like he's really cracking down on them. It tells you where Americans stand on illegal immigration that Bush has to pull the Democrat trick of hiding from the public what he really believes when it comes to immigration.

The "path to citizenship" that Bush and the Senate are trying to pawn off on Americans requires that illegals pay huge fines and back taxes. "Huge" is defined as a $2,000 fine and taxes for three of the last five years. Even with the special Two Years Tax-Free package for illegals, this is about as likely as me paying my dad back the money I "borrowed" from him when I was in college.

We're told illegal immigrants are dying to pay taxes if only they can become citizens. Oh, by the way, they also will have a panoply of government benefits available to them if they become citizens and even if they get green cards. They're probably unaware of this and are just dying to send half their paychecks to the government just like us shiftless, lazy Americans.

[television is just wrong]

well when you send half your money to your home country, 2,000.00 is a lot of money.

continuing to strip mine this nation, these parasites are being assisted by our highest elected officials.

how about all tax payers only having to pay taxes 3 out of 5 years? we never receive breaks like that. Our own government is rolling over on us.

[Liz]

The following briefly explains why illegals creep across the desert and perpetuate the lie about taking so-called "low-pay jobs Americans won't do."

The US taxpayer is subsidizing aliens' every need 24/7, morn til night: Using multiple phony SS #'s, forged documents, and multiple IDs the invaders collect multiple $4500-$5400 EICs from the IRS by declaring several names/jobs - just by going $1 over the income limit. They also line up for EINs, ITINs, Child Tax Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, welfare and food stamps.

US Taxpayers are subsidizing invaders' daily food intake, housing, reduced mortgages, free medical care, free education, reduced in-state tuition and out of state tuition. We also foot the legal bills when they start suing if we don't provide these goodies pronto......etc., etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum.

The 423 pp monstrosity Senate bill (secretly written in El Presidente Vicente Fox's hacienda assisted by reconquista groups) provides that invaders will be paid a prevailing wage, Earned Income Tax credits, medical benefits; housing benefits; WIC; anchor baby citizenship; legal representation and amnesty from back taxes owed.

The Senate atrocity does not meet Constitutional muster b/c Vicente, and the reconquistas, could care less about the US Constitution. They want only to get their greedy hands on the US treasury and to take over the US government with the vote, or by violence, if necessary (their own words and signage at the recent protests).

All of this explains why aliens will do anything, pay anything, endure anything, to sneak over the border to get so-called "low-paying jobs" They have extortion dancing in their criminal heads......plans to rip-off US taxpayers every which way they can.

.....and billions of it goes back to Mexico where El Presidente Vicente gets a nice chunk of it---and so do the federales in Central and South American banana republics who help their compadres cross the border.

[Gone_Postal]

Please stop confusing the issue with the facts. The phrase "cheap labor"
is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal Mexican who sneaks in here with
his wife and five children. He takes a job for five or six dollars an
hour. At that wage with six dependents, if he doesn't have that many
dependents he can claim family left in Mexico, he pays no income tax,
yet at the end of the year gets an "earned income credit" of up to
$3,200 free!!!.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized
rent, food stamps, and free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school, and require
bi-lingual teachers and books that taxpayers provide.

He doesn't have to worry about car insurance, life
insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins, and
printed material. He cannot be fired, harassed, or sued. He and his
family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in benefits, while
working Americans are lucky to have $2 to $4 an hour left after paying
their bills and his, and paying for increased crime, graffiti, and trash
cleanup.

"Cheap labor? Yeah, right!"

[xcamel]

Just the public cost of care for an "anchor babay" popped out on US soil is in excess of $87,000, that's your money folks. Get a clue.

[LowCountryJoe]

I'm told by others on these types of threads than "no one is disputing that legal immigrants are good for our economy, it's the illegal ones who place such an unbearable burden on our social programs and our health care...". But, you know something, Ann Coulter seems to be arguing that illegal and 'off-the-book' immigrants might be preferable to legal ones who have authorized -- and often encouraged -- access to the public goodies. Which way is it, people?

Of course I have my own opinion that has been formed by people who were willing to look at this issue free of its emotional baggage.

[TomGuy]

well when you send half your money to your home country, 2,000.00 is a lot of money

I have been curious how those in Mexico manage to raise the upward of $10,000 (in pesos) to pay the coyotes to get them across the border. That's a heck of allot of pesos they manage to accumulate.

[Liz]

....and if the US government (read taxpayers) doesn't pony up all the freebies pronto, they got their lawyers lined up to sue..........Now, the number of proliferating lawsuits also indicates illegals are lying in wait for someone to look cross-eyed at them for an opportunity to sue. Stil not disgusted? Read on:

The New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled that an illegal immigrant, injured while riding as a passenger in a car driven by a co-worker whose vehicle was not insured or registered when it hit a parked tractor-trailer, is eligible for compensation from a state fund for victims of uninsured motorists.

The Supreme Court determined the possibility that an illegal immigrant may some day be forced to return to his homeland does not necessarily defeat his intent to remain. This apparent justification of the court was based on the "uncertain nature of deportation." Our federal government is so ineffective in detecting, catching and deporting illegal immigrants that they may never be deported. Therefore, the court declared the immigrant a resident of New Jersey, eligible to seek compensation from the uninsured motorist fund at a trial to determine how much money he should be awarded, including compensation for pain and suffering.

The Supreme Court conferred New Jersey residency on an illegal immigrant, thereby making him eligible for compensation from the Unsatisfied Claim Judgment Fund, which has a requirement of bona fide residency.

The alen's lawyers are seeking payment for his pain and suffering and prescriptions only, with his other medical care being $38,300 of charity care provided gratis by the hospital that cared for him. The immigrant is also seeking compensation because he didn't receive any therapy after the accident. He is also seeking compensation for his lost, illegal, employment wages.

Probably our taxes are funding federal or state programs in support of the Trial Lawyers of America which is supporting this lawsuit. And Americans will have to pay more for insurance to cover this and numerous lawsuits nationwide that will result from this windfall.

[TomGuy]

I read one stat: illegals who have less than a high school education (a very high percentage of the Hispanic illegals are in that category) actually have a negative value of $13,000 each to the economy.

If one considers that 11-28 million illegals are here, and even if 25% do have a high school or greater education, that still puts a negative cost on our economy to the tune of -$107,250,000,000 to -$273,000,000,000.

That $0.99 head of lettuce isn't quite so cheap after all, when one adds the subsidizing through health programs, education, social services, etc. [Check your paystub -- that part that shows the taxes you pay and then tell yourself 'its so we can have cheap lettuce'.]

[television is just wrong]

they give them some money, then they are enslaved to pay their coyote for quite some time. i.e. prostitution and many other ways.

slavery is alive and well in the U.S. It did not end with the civil war.

[television is just wrong]

and not only do we pay for their anchor babies, the parents, grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles, all on the dole. and proud of it.

they use food stamps subsidized housing, free medical, and an education too boot. No wonder we are slipping and not doing as well as our parents. Our earnings are being stripped from us and given to our third world counterparts.

this nation will go bankrupt in short order.

[TomGuy]

victims of uninsured motorists

That is one part of the auto insurance that irritates me.

I have to subsidize uninsured and underinsured unless I specifically sign a paper saying I decline such coverage. But, for me to get my annual auto tags, I am REQUIRED at a minimum to carry coverage to pay should I cause property damage or personal injury to others.

Since I am REQUIRED to carry mininum coverage, where do those uninsured/underinsured motorists come from? Wanna take a guess?

[Wilhelm Tell]

That was interesting about children of immigrants contributing to the economy even if their parents are a net drain on the economy. However, one can question the wisdom of inviting millions of people, many of whom have no education and are illiterate in their native language. The U.S. will be importing poverty. This is an issue of class. How do you know that most of the children of former illegals will have a desire to be upwardly mobile? How do you know that generations of them won't be caught in a cycle of welfare, crime and a culture of non-achievement? If everything is just given to them, most of them will develop an entitlement mentality and for 100 years there may be a huge underclass draining society. Both major parties are indeed cynically counting on this. You can see the Democrats dreaming of generations of poor, uneducated dependents who will automatically vote for more welfare and you can see many Republicans with a dream of generations of an underclass that will provide "cheap" labor.

[LowCountryJoe]

Yes, Tom, that stat probably came from this study. That net cost of $13,000 per immigrant with less than a high school education came from the fact that the immigrant him or herself has been an overall net cost to society of $89,000 but that the immigrants descendants (and the study only reaches to the third generation, i.e. grandchildren of immigrant) account for a net contribution of $76,000.

There are two things that I'd like to point out you, Tom. One: the assumption of 75% of illegal immigrants. That's fair. But then you should also add the net contribution of those remaining 25% at the lowest net total given, positive $51,000 and then recalculate. Two: that the study only takes the effects to the third generation of descendant. What do you suppose happens after that -- after thorough assimilation and education?

[Liz]

ANOTHER ATROCITY LAWSUIT


Suit blames woman slain with her lover
(alien had two SS nos, two birth dates, 4 arrests)

Thursday, June 1, 2006, By KIBRET MARKOS, STAFF WRITER, THE RECORD


Daniel Pinedo and his girlfriend were slain in a Fairview home two years ago, shot execution-style, authorities say, by her jealous ex-husband. Pinedo's brother now wants someone to pay -- including the woman's survivors. In a lawsuit filed in Superior Court in Hackensack, Jaime Pinedo contends that the slain girlfriend, Xiomara Ortiz, contributed to his brother's murder by failing to keep her Morningside Avenue home safe.


A relative found the bodies of Daniel Pinedo and Ortiz at the foot of a bed there on May 27, 2004. Moments earlier, Ortiz's ex-husband, Nicholas Tejeda, ordered them to their knees and shot them each in the head with a 9mm handgun, authorities said. Tejeda, who is awaiting trial on two counts of murder and faces life in prison if convicted, was living in a converted garage at Ortiz's home when he learned that his ex-wife was seeing Daniel Pinedo, prosecutors said.

What followed was as much Ortiz's fault as Tejeda's, the lawsuit alleges. "Ms. Ortiz ... failed to safeguard her home and take reasonable actions to prevent the assault," the suit claims. "As a direct and proximate result of Ms. Ortiz's actions, Nicholas Tejeda gained access to Ms. Ortiz's premises and shot [Daniel] Pinedo."

Jaime Pinedo is seeking an unspecified amount in compensatory and punitive damages, both from Tejeda and from Ortiz's estate. "It's our belief that [Tejeda] had a
criminal record and a violent temper," said Pinedo's lawyer, Philip Wiskow. "[Ortiz] knew about that and allowed him into the home where the crime was committed." Members of Ortiz's family couldn't be reached Wednesday. Neither could Tejeda's lawyer, Genesis Peduto. Assistant Bergen County Prosecutor

James Santulli declined to comment on the suit. Tejeda, a 49-year-old illegal alien who had two Social Security cards, two dates of birth and four arrests, was married to Ortiz in the 1980s, authorities said. The couple divorced in 1991, but began living in the same house around 1999, they said. Ortiz, 40, and Daniel Pinedo, 34, were both bus drivers. Tejeda was also a bus driver until he lost his license for a bad driving record, authorities said. Unhappy with his ex-wife's relationship, Tejeda used his own key to enter Ortiz's house and then shot the couple with a semiautomatic handgun, prosecutors said.


He was still at the home when a family member discovered the bodies hours later and called police, they said. Tejeda and Ortiz have a son together, who is now 17 and lives with an uncle, Wiskow said. Daniel Pinedo's two daughters from a previous relationship are now living with his ex-wife, the attorney said. Tejeda, who is also charged with criminal weapons possession, will be brought to Superior Court in Hackensack for a hearing in July.

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[TomGuy]

What do you suppose happens after that -- after thorough assimilation and education?

Haven't you been paying attention? President Bush tells us they becomes lazy so we have to import more illegals to do the jobs* we lazy Americans won't do. So it becomes a never-ending cycle: sneak in, 3rd generation becomes lazy, more illegals need to sneak in to clean the toilets and harvest the lettuce.

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* GW fails to mention that 70% or more of those jobs ARE being done by Americans now.

[petkus]

U.S. BORDER CONTROL

Turn in illegal aliens
Believe it or not, according to an activist in California, the new Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE), is suddenly interested in learning about illegal aliens.

We are hearing that reports by citizens of employers using illegal aliens or instances of illegal aliens engaged in criminal activity, have been responded to quickly by the new agency.

The TOLL FREE number to report ILLEGAL aliens or those employing ILLEGAL aliens to ICE is: 866-347-2423

Apparently, after years of ignoring our calls it appears that the new agency is ready to do the job. (Note: This is NOT a slam on the Border Patrol who does heroic work daily. But it is a slam on how the Administration and the Immigration Service have dealt with reports of illegal aliens in the interior of our country.

How it works:

You are not required to provide your identity to ICE. All that is necessary to request an investigation by ICE is mere suspicion of any activity by ILLEGAL aliens. ICE and the IRS are especially interested in "visiting" those businesses that employ ILLEGALS "off the books" to avoid the payment of payroll taxes.

Small and large businesses are equally notorious in the hiring of ILLEGAL aliens to avoid paying fair wages to its workers and to criminally evade the collection and payment of payroll taxes. Whether the business hires one ILLEGAL alien or several hundred, ICE and IRS want to know about it.

All of this positive activity is taking place, no doubt, so that the Administration can lull us into believing that everything is under control and so we can accept the amnesty they are pushing. Nevertheless, if they are actually doing something, we should take advantage of it while it lasts.

We would appreciate it if you would let us know how helpful or unhelpful ICE has been in taking your information and following up on your complaint. And we will pass that information on to Congressmen who are monitoring their activities.

Thank you.

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Revised: January, 2006
Contact us at webmaster@usbc.org

(c) 2006 U.S. Border Control

[Liz]

There are so many horror stories of these invaders involved in catastrophic auto accidents----they walk away, scot-free---the rest of have to pay their bills, and live with the deaths and injuries they inflict.

And then there's: DMV CLERK ISSUED FAKE IDS
(illegal aliens bought 1,579 forged driver's licenses, 930 phony ID's)

Asssociated Press April 13, 2006

A former worker at a Department of Motor Vehicles office in Bridgeport, Conn., has pleaded guilty to charges of issuing hundreds of phony licenses. Tracy Lucas-Stevenson, 31, of Stratford, pleaded guilty in Superior Court to charges of receiving bribes, forgery and racketeering. She and two female colleagues had begun selling a few licenses to illegal aliens working locally, police said. The operation soon grew to dozens of licenses and IDs being sold every day by the women, they said. By the summer of 2004, police said, the trio had sold 1,579 driver's licenses and 930 ID's, at an average of $100 per card.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64420.htm/

[DManA]

Let's see them get a retroactive punishment past the courts.

The "path to citizenship" that Bush and the Senate are trying to pawn off on Americans requires that illegals pay huge fines

[LowCountryJoe]

If everything is just given to them, most of them will develop an entitlement mentality and for 100 years there may be a huge underclass draining society.

I never wrote that I was an advocate for giving anyone anything but some serious introspection should cause one to realize that some Americans, themselves, are as much or are even larger drains to our own entitlement systems/programs.

And if the children of immigrants do make net contributions to the economy (and this requires that one believes the gist of the study) you'd never get the contribution without first giving the invite, right?

Look, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration and I'm certainly not in favor of our welfare systems and legislation that tries to make economic outcome more 'fair'. But what I do advocate is for more immigration done legally. Many illegals pay large sums of money just to be smuggled in by human traffickers. Why isn't our government trying to capture a fraction of that money and a chance to get proper documentation? Why? Well, quite frankly, I think that many Americans would not welcome the competition and I happen to believe that a huge swath of Americans have xenophobic tendencies.