[Chi-townChief]

So it sounds like Greeley isn't waiting for God - he already has judged all Americans as guilty.

[atomicpossum]

our Muslim brothers remind us,

You're just a dhimmi to them, Andrew.

[Jeff Chandler]

...2,400 Americans (so far) died in a war...

2,400 Americans died in a war?! Oh, my gawd! 2400! This is unprecedented! If an American dies, it's time to surrender. But 2,400?! This is the most horrendous, deadly war we have ever lost.

[Jeff Chandler]

What are the Marines doing in Iraq, much less riding in patrols down isolated, dusty desert roads?

Marines do a lot of things, Greeley you commie fool.

[wideawake]

So the moral guilt of the American Marines who apparently murdered perhaps two dozen civilians in Haditha, Iraq, last November must be left to heaven.

What an incoherent statement.

[Tallguy]

What are the Marines doing in Iraq, much less riding in patrols down isolated, dusty desert roads? The Marines are an elite unit. They charge through Belleau Woods, they land on beaches at Tarawa, they climb Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima and raise the American flag, they push toward the Yalu River in North Korea in the depth of winter cold and then, cut off from main American forces, "redeploy" from the Chosun Reservoir and out of the trap.

Apparently Mr. Greeley's view of Marine Corps history only encompasses major wars. The Marines have been involved in many insurrections, notably in the Caribbean in the twenties & thirties (Haiti, Nicaragua, etc). They performed duties much like the ones that Mr. Greeley finds distasteful.

The Marine Corps publishes a book called "The Small Wars Manual" which is recommended reading for all officers heading to Iraq.

[olderwiser]

"I will leave to God the most merciful, the most compassionate, to decide about the moral guilt of Messrs. Bush and Rumsfeld."

Very generous of His Holy Bag of Hot Air.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

"That's what Marines are trained to do. They are not trained to be bait for terrorists. They do what they're told to do, of course, and try to live up to the ideals of the Corps. Yet, without excusing what happened, one must ask what in the world they were doing on patrol in western Iraq, where they would be an excellent target for an ambuscade, many of them on their third deployment to Iraq? Indeed, what are any Americans doing dodging roadside bombs in that country?"

His comparison to Korea is somewhat enlightening. In Korea, Truman had a strategy not to win the war. It was our first "limited war" or "police action" in which our military could not win, since we had restrictions on who and where we could attack. Also, most of the last two years of the involved a war to push the commies into negotiations. The military took hills with many casualties and then gave those same hills up later for political reasons. Remember Pork Chop Hill.

Now move ahead over 50 years later. We do have a strategy to win, not lose. However, there are insurgents and terrorist mixed in with civilians. That is a problem. They are loosing the war, except in the MSM in the USA.
Greeley's comparison is wrong, but not because Marines in Korea were killed by IEDs, they were killed because of a no win policy.

[p. henry]

Greeley did raise one, and only one, good question in this article: Are our tactics in Iraq appropriate for the mission?

If you assume that the Marines are innocent of wrongdoing and that they in fact have been set up by the citizens of Haditha and the insurgents, then why in God's name were they placed in a position where they could be so abused both by the Iraqis and then by our investigatory process? If you assume that the Marines in fact did what the media are accusing them of doing, then you must also ask yourself why they would have behaved in such a fashion. Haditha is not My Lai. The Marines of 2006 are not the conscript army of the 60's. They are not led by William Calley. They are highly trained volunteers. They are among America's best soldiers. If they did commit war crimes, did our tactics contribute to a breakdown in their discipline and honor?

These questions go to the heart of our mission in Iraq.

[RichInOC]

God, our Muslim brothers remind us, is the merciful and the compassionate.

Well, yeah, they say that, Father. Unfortunately, a good number of them act as if Allah were more like the Calormen god Tash in C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia: the inexorable and the irresistible.

[MEGoody]

God, our Muslim brothers remind us, is the merciful and the compassionate. There- fore, we do not make moral judgments on morality of others.

If only Muslims truly believed and lived this. But their actions show that the majority of them do NOT believe this.

Obviously, Greeley is an idiot.

[Petronski]

So it sounds like Greeley isn't waiting for God - he already has judged all Americans as guilty.

I cannot help but wonder, even for a moment, if God is waiting for Greeley, or if Greeley has already been judged by Him.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>God, our Muslim brothers remind us, is the merciful and the compassionate<<<

Our Muslim 'brothers' also remind us, daily, that if we do not submit to the doctrine of the cult called Islam we will be killed by them, our Muslim 'brothers'.

[wildcatf4f3]

New motto for Leftists--Semper Fickle

[A.A. Cunningham]

Therefore, we do not make moral judgments on morality of others.

We won't be judging you for all of that soft core porn you've churned out over the years or your failure to faithfully live up to your promise of celibacy, while you've been masquerading as a Priest, Andy. We'll leave the eternal state of your soul up to God, too.

[Modok]

Have fun with that Greeley.