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Lights, Camera - Activism!
The New American ^ | William Grigg

Posted on 06/02/2006 8:33:07 AM PDT by Irontank

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1913...a fateful, tragic year for the American people...that year saw (1) ratification of the 16th Amendment (federal income tax), (2) ratification of the 17th Amendment (direct election of US Senators and the end of representatives of the states in the federal government) and (3) the creation of the Federal Reserve

But at least there will be a good movie to see this summer

1 posted on 06/02/2006 8:33:10 AM PDT by Irontank
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To: Irontank

This will never happen to Illegal Aliens.


2 posted on 06/02/2006 8:36:59 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Irontank

I've said this many times in the last decade: The US today is frighteningly similar to the descriptions my teachers gave me, in the 1960's, of the Soviet Union.

As Fred Reed said in one of his articles (fredoneverything.net), the US may be the first country in history to become a "dictatorship without a dictator".


3 posted on 06/02/2006 8:38:30 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Irontank

http://www.catslv.org/TaxProtesterFAQ.html

Required reading for anyone who believes that they don't have to pay income tax.


4 posted on 06/02/2006 8:43:36 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: 2nsdammit

Good post, I was looking for the link myself. The income tax is evil, but there is no reason to pretend that one doesn't have to pay it. All that does is get good people in trouble with the law.


5 posted on 06/02/2006 8:47:01 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Irontank
Excellent Article.
Unfortunately most Americans are too concerned with amassing perceived wealth to be bothered..... until it happens to them.
The monster has gotten completely out of hand.
6 posted on 06/02/2006 8:51:33 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Irontank

New tag


7 posted on 06/02/2006 8:52:13 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Stop being good Republicans. Start being good Americans.")
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To: Rodney King

It is NOT at all like the Soviet Union. However, I have been through this government raid on your business scenario followed by extensive contact with the IRS. it was truly horrible and completely ruined my life. Anything anyone does to get the American public to see the many problems has my support. That is for sure.


8 posted on 06/02/2006 8:59:48 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Rodney King; 2nsdammit
The income tax is evil, but there is no reason to pretend that one doesn't have to pay it

I'm not sure the movie makes the point that you don't have to pay it...and certainly the article is not making that point.

Oddly enough, Cohen - who may be the most knowledgeable person alive where it comes to the tax code - did not cite Section 6012 of Title 26 of the U.S. Code, which states: "Returns with respect to income taxes under subtitle A [governing tax computations] shall be made by the following: (1)(A) Every individual having for the taxable year gross income which equals or exceeds the exemption amount." The penalty for violation of Section 6012 can be found under Section 7203, which calls for up to a $25,000 fine and one year in prison for an individual "who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information."

It would be expected that a former IRS commissioner would be able to cite those provisions on demand. Yet he finds himself confused and lost amid the abstruse details of the Tax Code. How can we expect to do any better? Laws protecting lives, property, and public order are clear and easily complied with. The same cannot be said of the mare's nest of "laws" and precedents cited by the IRS to justify seizing the product of our labor at gunpoint.

The point of the article is that 1/4 or more of your income is confiscated by the federal government pursuant to a tax code that is over 17,000 pages, a code of related regulations that is tens of thousands more pages and too many interpretative opinions of the federal courts to count. Moreover, any determination by the IRS that you may not have complied with this thoroughly incomprehensible tax system (a system that no one could possibly fully comprehend), can result in an audit where the individual taxpayer is presumed to be noncompliant until he can prove otherwise.

Talk to tax attorneys or CPA's...everyone I've met has more than horror story of how someone's life was turned upside down because they were unable to prove that they complied with a system that the IRS itself does not understand after suffereing through a brutal audit process

9 posted on 06/02/2006 9:00:27 AM PDT by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Irontank

While I have reservations about the existence of a "shadow government", and I'm not ready to pull on my tinfoil hat, I have no illusions about where this country is headed if things do not change.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/wns/truth.htm

The Chinese see the United States as a dying empire... rotting from within, collapsing under its own weight, the idiocy of its government and the ineptitude of its citizens. The speed of descent of our American civilization is matched only by its wholly illogical, unneccessary nature. I would tend to agree that if we leave our government to its own devices, the US as we know it will not exist within the next fifty to one hundred years. I believe that the future health of this republic lies in the hands of its thinking citizens, and the few elected officials who are still defined by reason.


11 posted on 06/02/2006 9:04:10 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Rodney King

What's evil is the federal reserve system. What's truly evil is that the IRS can arrest you and hold you without a court hearing, trial, or legal representation. And they can do it all without a warrant.


12 posted on 06/02/2006 9:05:14 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Irontank
"There were four girls getting dressed, and these guys with guns were watching us," Jennifer recalls on-camera in the new documentary America: From Freedom to Fascism. "We tried to close the door but this guy blocked it with his foot." As the terrified screams of his daughter and her friends could be heard in the background, Scotty Miller, dressed only in a towel that was inadequate to provide him modesty, provoked a near-lethal response from the raiders when he reached toward his drawers to get a pair of underwear.

There is one immutable law of the universe. Government = Evil.
13 posted on 06/02/2006 9:09:23 AM PDT by microgood (Truth is not contingent)
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To: Rodney King

Rodney King wrote: "The income tax is evil..."

Give unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. I agree with you, but I'll still file.

I'm always amazed when I read the 16th Amendment. What sane person would vote for such a thing? They must have been very naive back then to think they could write such an open-ended abomination without the government taking advantage of it. The 16th is literally a blank check:

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

The 16th is the fountain from which springs all sorts of government mischief. Education Dept. unconstitutional? No problem! Comply with No Child Left Behind, or you won't get this pile of money! Set the drinking age to 21, or you won't get this pile of money. Seatbelts? Wear them or you won't get this pile of money. You get the point.


14 posted on 06/02/2006 9:09:41 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Irontank

Go to the website and donate - I have.

This is so important, and needs to be seen by as many constitution loving (pre-FDR & pre-Fed that is) Americans as possible.

We all know the media is controlled by power elites, and it will be likely that theaters owned by same will not be screening this - I hope there are enough independents that will though. It could even be picked up by cable eventually.

This movie's topics are what I have been trying to post on FR since I first registered.

Unfortunately many here on FR immediately attacked me, calling out the tinfoil hats, how pathetic they are too.

These truths will set you free, and shine the harsh white light on the progressives of BOTH parties who have usurped our Govt, broken the public trust and robbed generations of Americans of their wealth in building the welfare/warfare state for their own constitutionally corrupt enrichment.


15 posted on 06/02/2006 9:11:33 AM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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To: Irontank

This event occurred over eight years ago. The IRS was raked over the coals for such raids and as a result underwent extensive reforms. Reference:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/07/09/irs/

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, July 8) -- Americans are just one signature away from tax collection reform as the Senate Thursday approved the bill that would make sweeping changes in the way the Internal Revenue Service interacts with taxpayers.

The bill, which enjoyed strong bipartisan support in the Senate, passed on a 96-2 vote. The House approved the measure 402-8 before it left for the 4th of July vacation.

Sen. William V. Roth Jr. (R-Del.), who spearheaded the measure, called it historic after the vote. "All we seek is an agency that provides service, civility and fairness to the American people," Roth said.

In a statement, President Bill Clinton also praised the bill's passage and said he will sign it.


"I am pleased that the Senate has finally passed bipartisan legislation to reform the IRS and strengthen taxpayer rights," Clinton said. "This reform will help my effort to create an IRS that respects American taxpayers and respects their values. I look forward to signing it into law."

In the Senate, Vermont Republican James Jeffords said the changes will make the IRS a "kinder, gentler agency."

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) called the reform bill a first step, adding Congress must still act to simplify the tax code.

"Americans have every reason to celebrate," said Roth, chief author of the legislation. "They have let their desire be known, and they have been heard."


The IRS overhaul bill was the result, in part, of last September's highly publicized hearings in which taxpayers told horror stories of their treatment at the hands of the U.S. tax agency.

The IRS reform bill includes the following provision:

The burden of proof in civil court cases involving tax disputes would be shifted from the taxpayer to the IRS.

The IRS must suspend penalties and interest if the agency waits more than 18 months to tell someone they owe additional taxes.

People who face collection actions due to tax problems caused without their knowledge by spouses would be protected from some collection actions.

A nine-member board with six private citizens to oversee the operations of the IRS.

The IRS taxpayer advocate's office will have expanded powers to grant taxpayer assistance orders, which can halt tax collections in cases of hardship.
While the bill has been politically popular in this election year, some say the reform measure will have little effect on most taxpayers. Only 4 to 5 million of the 212 million personal and business returns filed annually end up in dispute with the tax collection agency, according to Phil Brand, the IRS's former chief compliance officer.

Over the next 10 years experts predict the reform measures will cost the IRS $12.9 billion, mostly in lost collections of taxes and penalties.


16 posted on 06/02/2006 9:14:12 AM PDT by rwa265 (Behold, I am with you always. (Matthew 28:20))
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To: ClaireSolt

I am sorry for your infringed rights and financial loss.

Get all your friends to make donations to the website to help this be aired to the widest audience possible.

This could very well be a new beginning a la Goldwater & Reagan.

The republican party will return to it's 40 years of insignificance unless it is purged of all the establishment big govt pols like the Spector's and Collins'.

If I could I'd throw them all out but for Coburn & Paul, the only two I've seen that speak the truth.


17 posted on 06/02/2006 9:18:02 AM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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To: Irontank

"This changed dramatically when Ricky opened the door and was confronted with 15 heavily armed agents from the Internal Revenue Service and state enforcement agencies. One of them threw Ricky to the floor, stuck a gun in his face, and ordered him to be quiet. The armed raiding party made its way upstairs, where it barged into the bathroom and forced Scotty out of the shower. Another small group burst in on Jennifer and her friends, who had yet to get dressed."

Didn't this happen to Elias Gonzalez and his family?


18 posted on 06/02/2006 9:20:43 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: snowrip

It's much much worse than you seem to believe.

From one who routinely gets tinfoiled here, may I suggest some excellent video and essays that fill in what our educrats so deceptively determined we didn't need to know about our own country? The best Rat/RINO killers I have been able to find!

How Progressives Rewrote the Constitution
http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-02-15-06.ram

The Issue of Tariffs: How U.S. Revenue Collection Was Turned Inside-Out (video)
http://mises.org:88/Sophocleus

Size Matters: How Big Government Puts the Squeeze on America's Families, Finances, and Freedom (And Limits the Pursuit of Happiness)
http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-02-02-06.ram

Big Business and the Rise of American Statism
http://praxeology.net/RC-BRS.htm

The Founding of The Federal Reserve (video)
http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

The Great Depression, World War II, and American Prosperity, Part I (video)
http://www.mises.org/multimedia/video/Woods/Woods5.wmv

Secrets of the Federal Reserve
http://www.barefootsworld.net/fs_m_ch_01.html

Jackson's 2nd Bank US VETO (very important - what he correctly and constitutionally opposed is just what we ended up with in 1913)
http://alpha.furman.edu/~benson/docs/ajveto.htm


19 posted on 06/02/2006 9:23:37 AM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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To: rwa265
Over the next 10 years experts predict the reform measures will cost the IRS $12.9 billion, mostly in lost collections of taxes and penalties.

Loss of tax revenue doesn't "cost" the IRS anything. The government doesn't have its own money!
20 posted on 06/02/2006 9:23:53 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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