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Haven't participated in a good heated argument lately... ;-)
1 posted on 06/01/2006 1:12:22 PM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater
Hmmm.

God made His creatures to reproduce "after their own kind," and it appears from the fossils that they have done just that. ... This is presented to school children as no less certain than Washington's crossing of the Delaware.

There.

2 posted on 06/01/2006 1:21:07 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Sopater
I've been told all the bones before homo erectus ever found will fit easily into one phone booth. Hard to conclusively base millions of years of evolution on so little evidence.
3 posted on 06/01/2006 1:21:11 PM PDT by pikachu (I do not see the glass as half full or half empty but as the Jack Daniels is gone and the ice melted)
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To: Sopater
Hmmmm - ok
Why can't they do a DNA sample of these old guys/gals (teeth are a great source - sealed) and compare it with modern man ... see what traits are there ... then too, why has some species "evolved" and some not? Is there a master plan evolutionist 'god' that determines what will advance and what won't .... and finally, if evolution is an ongoing thing, what are we going to evolve into - pink twitted newts?????
4 posted on 06/01/2006 1:23:03 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: Sopater

You mean that Darwin might have been wrong??

What a surprise!


5 posted on 06/01/2006 1:23:56 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Sopater

"Haven't participated in a good heated argument lately... ;-)"

Yeah, these evolution threads. Genesis 1 is big-bang and evolution wrapped into one but since there are small inconsistencies with what we know today in the order of events the fanatics can't accept it - to do so would call into question every other detail of the bible as interpretable and "wrong" or misplaced.


6 posted on 06/01/2006 1:24:41 PM PDT by Shermy (Ronald Reagan was man enough to call an Amnesty an Amnesty.)
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To: Sopater

The theory of evolution is entirely consistent with belief in a Creator.


8 posted on 06/01/2006 1:27:34 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: Sopater

I would no more pay attention to scientific advise from the Institute for Creation Research than I would pay attention to economics advise from the Socialist Workers' Party.


9 posted on 06/01/2006 1:28:35 PM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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The Institute for Creation Research?

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12 posted on 06/01/2006 1:30:01 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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I saw a bumper sticker that pretty much sums it up for me ... but not in the way the owner wanted or intended.

It said ... "Fine, I evolved, you didn't"

I laughed and agreed. Told my little girl that the bumper sticker proved my point. There are a class of people that indeed evolve from ameba's, pagans/atheist. My descendants were created whole, by the one true GOD.
13 posted on 06/01/2006 1:32:20 PM PDT by Russ_in_NC
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I have a point of view that isn't very popular with either creationists or evolutionists.

But the bottom line is this: I don't believe evolution explains US, modern humans, and our sudden emergence with so many attributes not seen before.

And, I believe in God.


14 posted on 06/01/2006 1:36:42 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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Dinosaurs = Jesus Horses.


17 posted on 06/01/2006 1:45:19 PM PDT by Altair333 (Red Rover, Red Rover, Send Mexico Right Over)
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A couple bones from here a couple bones from there and a bunch of speculation from everywhere makes for a very weak theory.
18 posted on 06/01/2006 1:46:35 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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I'm not quite sure of his first argument. He seems to be saying that species categorization by morphology is flawed because they only differ by shape.

That's like saying the rainbow is all the same color because it only varies by wavelength.

Of course color categorization is going to have arbitrary boundries -- wavelengths vary contiuously. But we know red is sufficiently different from blue to name them. Same ways with fossil bones.

His second argument that there are examples of 6000 year old H. erectus is a factual claim for which he provides no evidence.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 1:47:01 PM PDT by Dracian
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21 posted on 06/01/2006 1:48:58 PM PDT by pabianice
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As Leonard Cohen once said, "everybody knows!"


44 posted on 06/01/2006 2:18:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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Haven't participated in a good heated argument lately.

Not married, I see.

53 posted on 06/01/2006 2:32:52 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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Similar to the coherency value present in other fairy tales.


68 posted on 06/01/2006 2:53:54 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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God made His creatures to reproduce "after their own kind," and it appears from the fossils that they have done just that.

Speaking of statements no less certain than Washington's crossing of the Delaware...

Where's the proof that the Biblical account of creation is more valid than the Hindu one? Or the Wiccan one?

77 posted on 06/01/2006 3:03:52 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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Honost question; Have we been able to produce a genetic strain in animals that is capable of producing fertle offspring in their own "species" but not with members of their origin "species".

That would be pretty convincing proof, but I don't believe it has been done.


84 posted on 06/01/2006 3:14:40 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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Remember those heated arguments back when I was a primate..
You know, before being born again as another creature..

Its what primates do.. shaking limbs and making noises..

90 posted on 06/01/2006 3:19:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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