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The Real Haditha The MSM Won't Tell Us
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1553781,00.html ^

Posted on 06/01/2006 9:11:58 AM PDT by AmericanYankee

insurgents rule Sunni citadel

Guardian gains rare access to Iraqi town and finds it fully in control of 'mujahideen'

Omer Mahdi in Haditha and Rory Carroll in Baghdad Monday August 22, 2005 The Guardian

The executions are carried out at dawn on Haqlania bridge, the entrance to Haditha. A small crowd usually turns up to watch even though the killings are filmed and made available on DVD in the market the same afternoon. One of last week's victims was a young man in a black tracksuit. Like the others he was left on his belly by the blue iron railings at the bridge's southern end. His severed head rested on his back, facing Baghdad. Children cheered when they heard that the next day's spectacle would be a double bill: two decapitations. A man named Watban and his brother had been found guilty of spying.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; mdm
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To: AmericanYankee; All

Excellent points. We need to send this around to as many sources as possible.


21 posted on 06/01/2006 9:31:28 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

This sort of backs up the old saying that when the enemy is fighting a purely guerrilla war, there are no innocent civilians.


22 posted on 06/01/2006 9:31:39 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: ArmstedFragg; Allegra

Think it's changed any?


23 posted on 06/01/2006 9:32:24 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: ArmstedFragg

Sounds like Haditha has been ripe for a thorough cleansing for a long time. Hope the likes of Murtha doesn't stop it.


24 posted on 06/01/2006 9:32:51 AM PDT by tioga (Spring is here, and allergy season is in full bloom.)
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To: Coop; Just A Nobody; smoothsailing; freema

PING FYI


25 posted on 06/01/2006 9:35:18 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: AmericanYankee
"A three-day visit by a reporter working for the Guardian last week ..."

Snicker, snicker, sigh.

26 posted on 06/01/2006 9:36:58 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: AmericanYankee

Thanks for posting. I imagine the American MSM won't be lining up to print this.


27 posted on 06/01/2006 9:37:37 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: sarasota

Where is John "they killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Murtha now?

Help defeat this America-hating lunatic John Murtha.
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28 posted on 06/01/2006 9:37:46 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: ArmstedFragg; AmericanYankee

Note the date.

Hmm indeed, August 2005, just three months prior to the Marine incident in Haditha in November of that same year.

A solid view of the conditions surrounding our troops at the time, a war zone to would be the least that could be said of it.

29 posted on 06/01/2006 9:38:42 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: AmericanYankee

Considering the lives these children must have lived so far, it's not surprising that they would be a little jaded for cartoons, and prefer to watch beheadings. They probably see people killed every day, so it's not shocking anymore.


30 posted on 06/01/2006 9:40:21 AM PDT by eddie65
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To: AmericanYankee
Haditha exposes the limitations of the Iraqi state and US power on the day when the political process is supposed to make a great leap

Show them the real limitations, or lack thereof, on US power. Warm up the B-52s, all that we have left, maybe add the similar number of B-1Bs. Leave no stone atop another, no mud hut standing. To encourage the others.

32 posted on 06/01/2006 9:40:49 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: AmericanYankee

Can we send Jack Murtha over to Haditha, to negotiate their surrender ... one-way ticket.


33 posted on 06/01/2006 9:42:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: All

Try this source: On record

Lieut. Colonel Michelle Martin-Hing, spokeswoman for the Multi-National Force-Iraq, told Time the involvement of the ncis does not mean that a crime occurred. And she says the fault for the civilian deaths lies squarely with the insurgents, who "placed noncombatants in the line of fire as the Marines responded to defend themselves."

Or explain how the WaPo completely screwed up a On Record source: (From Hugh Hewitt):

The Post has been unable to get anyone from the Pentagon on the record on the investigation, using mostly anonymous sources. The one man they did get on the record on Friday was retired Brig. Gen. David H. Brahms, a long-time lawyer with the Marine Corps who has experience with these types of cases. His quote is in the third paragraph. See if you can guess why the prominent first-quote placement:

"When these investigations come out, there's going to be a firestorm," said retired Brig. Gen. David M. Brahms, formerly a top lawyer for the Marine Corps. "It will be worse than Abu Ghraib -- nobody was killed at Abu Ghraib."
I have a feeling someone was lying in wait for an Abu Ghraib reference. I read the quote and was taken aback because I spoke to the same Brig. Gen. David M. Brahms about the case this week, and his sentiments were very different from those presented in the Post. Which explains why he sent me this statement yesterday:

"Recent reporting on the events in Haditha, Iraq have included significant factual errors and/or misleading statements. This includes a quote attributed to me in the Washington Post this morning that was taken completely out of context and its meaning distorted. Many facts that are favorable to the Marines involved have not yet been disclosed."

32 posted on 06/01/2006 8:40:31 AM PDT by pissant
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34 posted on 06/01/2006 9:44:05 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support the troops by exposing the threats to them like hanoi kerry, cut and run murtha, Code Pink,)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Note the date.

August 22, 2005, 3 months before the incident with the Marines. You think things changed much in those 3 months?

35 posted on 06/01/2006 9:45:08 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: TheCrusader

Not 'we' taking the word of thses vipers in haditha, Murtha, the democrap party, and their sycophantic media whores are taking the word ... nay, they are promoting the word of these insane people over the word of anyone else because it serves the agenda to bring defeat at any cost, and the bastards KNOW they are being lied to and manipulated but they are allies to the democrats and the liberal lickspittlists of media in America.


36 posted on 06/01/2006 9:46:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: delacoert; pissant; Velveeta

PING


37 posted on 06/01/2006 9:48:18 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: El Gato
"Haditha exposes the limitations of the Iraqi state and US power "

Yeah?
Like Fallujah?

I seem to recall the self-same Guardian talking the same nonsense about "limits of US Power" when the terrorist vermin had temporary control of Fallujah.

Shortly afterwords, the strutting terrorists in Fallujah ceased to exist.
Today, Fallujah is considerably more peaceful than Baghdad.
38 posted on 06/01/2006 9:48:40 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

If this is deemed to be a planted story by the insurgents. Then we can basically come to a conclusion that:

Certain politicians do not act in the best interest of our soldiers and should be held accountable.

We are losing the propaganda war.

The MSM is too quick to "make" news not "report" news making it increasingly simple for the insurgency to spread propaganda. The MSM has absolutely no form of investigative or journalistic morals or ethics when they rush to judgement during a time of war with headline like: "Report Shows Marines Were Unprovoked In Haditha Massacre" when nothing remotely close to that was even proven.


39 posted on 06/01/2006 9:50:20 AM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: thecabal
In the "good old days", we would have razed the village and salted the earth.

Yep. This is a catch-22: to build up iraq and do business there we have to go through organizations and companies owned by people who hate us in some places. Haditha would seem to be such a place. Only one answer to a Catch-22: eliminate the underlying premises - to your point.

40 posted on 06/01/2006 9:51:09 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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