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Gold ready to crash?
Market Watch.com ^ | Jun 1, 2006 | Jesse Czelusta

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:10:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

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To: palmer
I sold my gold in 1981 at a nice profit. But I needed the money for college.

You sold your gold for a piece of paper (diploma)? I'm shocked :^)

221 posted on 06/01/2006 6:27:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Axenolith
Well, you're taking a long shot bet that the US government, unlike every other instance in history, is going to buck the trend and NOT inflate the hell out of their currency to escape the mountain of debt and unfunded liabilities they've created.

Yep, I trust Americans. Sad that you don't. Explains a lot, but sad.

222 posted on 06/01/2006 6:27:51 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Grampa Dave
At the start of the year 2000, prices for gold and silver in real terms were about the same as they were one hundred years before (see charts).

What other currency or medium of exchange had in 2000 anything close to the value it had in 1900? Not U.S. money, certainly, nor even the vaunted Swiss franc.

223 posted on 06/01/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Yes you are right. No reasonable discussions can be had anymore. At least not with arrogant folks like you who think you know everything, yet have portfolios that are exceeded by second year McDonald's clerks who have just started their 401K's.


224 posted on 06/01/2006 6:29:52 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: palmer
Gold and silver are being speculated on, they went up unsustainably earlier in the year.

Hmmmm...I wonder if "stocks" are speculative & unsustainable too....say Google, Exxon, General Mills?

Gold has been of great demand & value long before the stock market existed and will likely be one of the few items traded in the event of a total collapse of the world economy....except food, water, and energy.

225 posted on 06/01/2006 6:34:00 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: roostercogburn
At least not with arrogant folks like you who think you know everything,

I've never claimed I know everything. I just like to point out the flaws in the statements of goldbugs.

yet have portfolios that are exceeded by second year McDonald's clerks who have just started their 401K's.

McDonald's has clerks? Is that what they called you when you were hired? Are you a hamburger clerk or a french fry clerk? Now that you've been there 2 years, how big is your 401K?

226 posted on 06/01/2006 6:34:16 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Do you trust Bill and Hillary? Or Al? How about Nancy and Harry?

I love my country, but I think that our leaders will almost always do the WRONG thing anymore. Sadly, that is the machine we have created.
No sacrifice or financial discipline is to be seen from any of them. Or many Americans.
The generation coming up doesn't know the value of the dollar. They do not pay their bills. They just know how to "Promise to Pay".
That, is the truly sad thing.


227 posted on 06/01/2006 6:35:58 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

I trust America. We have been bucking trends of World History for 216+ years and we are still doing it.

Gold is a good investment, but the entire idea that "fiat money" is worthless is ludicrous. Each currency has it's own set of value and at this point in time, bucking World History, the non-gold or silver based U.S. dollar is the most sought form of currency on the planet.


228 posted on 06/01/2006 6:47:39 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I admire your trust in our current leaders and citizenry.
I do not think of paper money as worthless. I have many thousands of it locked away in a safety deposit box at the bank and several more in a floor safe.
But I cannot stand folks who are so closed minded as to post here with no intention other than bashing someones financial ideas and opinions.
But I hope you are right about our leaders and this country bucking the trends. If any were to do it, it would be us. I am not as confident as you though.


229 posted on 06/01/2006 7:09:52 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn
But I cannot stand folks who are so closed minded as to post here with no intention other than bashing someones financial ideas and opinions.

I think if you step back and look at those who frequent these threads you will see that those who advocate heavy investment in gold are dramatic in their insults of everyone who dares questions the value of gold as the primary form of investmnet. Those who advocate a broad portfolio of investments are mocked and called foolish for trusting that "fiat currency".

It's not that gold can't be a good investment, particularly used as a hedge against a time of economic downturn, but it isn't the best investment. Some just cannot stand to hear that though.

230 posted on 06/01/2006 7:17:37 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Grampa Dave
Over the decades I have found it more than slightly amusing how the ones infected with the gold bug really want a total collapse of our monetary system and the world's.

That only applies to those extremely infected. Lots of investors have a 10% - 20% position in Gold, Silver, etc. to hedge inflation, and as a counter to stock prices (usually inverse relationship) - to diversify. Sometimes it is profitable, sometimes it isn't. Just like stocks, or bonds.

I have bear funds, stock funds, gold funds, silver funds, US stocks, foreign stocks - etc. I ease out of them when they seem to have matured, and buy into them when they are neglected. It is a discipline that works fine over a cycle.

Gold and Silver have worked extraordinarily well over the past few years. So have Apple (AAPL), Diamond Offshore (DO), and Titanium Metals (TIE), and most of the energy complex. I've been lightening up on my Gold holdings - clearly as have other investors - hence the recent decline after a huge run up. Similarly the other wonderful investments over the past few years have seen sell-offs. I'm getting tempted to get back in at these prices, I've been nibbling, but I'll wait for a sign of a sure turn around (like Time Magazine proclaiming "Gold is Dead!") before committing my full nut.

231 posted on 06/01/2006 7:42:06 PM PDT by GregoryFul (off with their heads!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

If you lived on a deserted island you would have no use for money of any kind. But, luckily for you, you don't live on a deserted island.


232 posted on 06/01/2006 7:42:30 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Blzbba
And the beauty of numismatics (rare silver/gold coins) is that YOU PAY NO TAXES when you cash in.

Only if you are a tax cheat! Otherwise you should declare on schedule D, you capital gain (loss) in the asset.

233 posted on 06/01/2006 7:47:38 PM PDT by GregoryFul (off with their heads!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
A guaranteed store of wealth that dropped 13% in a few weeks? That's funny!

Lots of high flying stocks (and markets), have dropped 20-30% over the past few weeks - conversely, they have risen 50% since the beginning of the year!

234 posted on 06/01/2006 7:52:16 PM PDT by GregoryFul (off with their heads!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I am not a "Gold Bug". I have less than 5% of my current investment holdings in gold. Closer to 3%. But I do not think folks here, from what I have read, think of it as an investment. They think of it as currency. Currency that will survive serious economic disruptions that *could* happen down the road due to our national debt, inflation, oil prices/possible disruption of oil flow to markets, global tensions and regional conflicts.
Both sides, gold lovers and those who are not, love to mock the other from what I see.
But I appreciate your opinions. You have obviously mastered one of the things most lacking in our country today, courtesy. :)


235 posted on 06/01/2006 7:53:39 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I think if you step back and look at those who frequent these threads you will see that those who advocate heavy investment in gold are dramatic in their insults of everyone who dares questions the value of gold as the primary form of investmnet.

Total horseshit. It is exactly the other way around. The way it works is, if anyone generally tries to discuss the merits of owning gold, the insults come fast and furious from the anti-gold opinion managers. Any reasonable discussion is only a product of a gold thread that isn't noticed by them. Go back and read the first page of the thread: the article is posted, and immediately the kindergarten crowd shows up to crap in their hands and throw it at the goldbugs. For any one comment you can qualify as an insult by the goldbugs, there are a dozen coming from the other direction.

236 posted on 06/01/2006 7:54:52 PM PDT by TEEHEE ("Likes: moonlit walks on the beach, Michael Savage, and gold.")
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To: Grampa Dave
World mine production today is almost 25 times as high as it was in 1850 (again, see figures). New discoveries and technologies have allowed gold and silver production to continue to expand.

What about the increase in world $ money production - eh? 100,000 times as high as it was in 1850, maybe? Got a statistic on that?

237 posted on 06/01/2006 8:01:21 PM PDT by GregoryFul (off with their heads!)
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To: Xenalyte

Savage is an entertainer, and he's entertaining. Too moralistic to be taken seriously. I do enjoy listening, though.

He's severely handicapped by growing up in NYC and then moving to SF. Maybe if he would live in some part of the real USA, he would chill out a bit.


238 posted on 06/01/2006 8:07:07 PM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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To: GregoryFul
Lots of high flying stocks (and markets), have dropped 20-30% over the past few weeks - conversely, they have risen 50% since the beginning of the year!

Anyone who calls one of these stocks or markets a guaranteed store of wealth would be wrong.

239 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:52 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
GG vs GE

but of course:

GG vs TIE

240 posted on 06/01/2006 8:27:34 PM PDT by GregoryFul (off with their heads!)
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