Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga
Regardless, the question stands: why seatbelts, and not risky diet, lack of exercise, smoking, sport activities, hobbies, etc.?
This is not a problem associated with liberty.
This is a problem associated with socialism.
It would be great if insurance companies would offer discounts for seat-belt wearers. If you sign up for the discount and you get in an accident when you aren't wearing a seatbelt, you get nothing. It would be like life-insurance discounts for non-smokers...
In MA there is a secondary offense law (you can't be stopped for not wearing a seatbelt, but a fine can be added on for not wearing one if you are stopped for something else). That makes a lot of sense, eh?
NH does not have a seatbelt law for those over 12.
Who gave you the right to raise insurance rates both for automobile drivers and for healthcare costs?
how is government officials enforcing a law that is the most basic law on the books for car drivers bad...how does it lead to a police state....that makes no sense...maybe you need to review your definition of socialism. The dept of transportation is saving lives and i applaud them for it.
I believe Williams addressed this From the article:
'Lack of safety belt use is a growing public health issue that . . . also costs us all billions of dollars every year,' that's not a problem of liberty. It's a problem of socialism. No human should be coerced by the state to bear the medical expense, or any other expense, for his fellow man.Socialism is the problem not seatbelt violators
Unfortunately, a rather common misconception.
You absolutely do have the right to drive.
>>Who gave you the right to raise insurance rates both for automobile drivers and for healthcare costs? When you crush your body in a mangled mess, do you honestly think it doesn't affect everyone else?<<
Ho hum. I think you need to re-read this from the beginning of the article:
>>As to your statement 'Lack of safety belt use is a growing public health issue that . . . also costs us all billions of dollars every year,' that's not a problem of liberty. It's a problem of socialism. No human should be coerced by the state to bear the medical expense, or any other expense, for his fellow man. In other words, the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another is morally offensive."<<
You also say, "I wish that weren't the case and that drivers were totally responsible for their own stupidity, but that's not reality."
Well as the author points out, that argument could be made to force everyone into exercise programs, making salt illegal and controlling the lives of the obese.
Then there are the lives that would be saved if all risky recreational activities were abolished.
Like the author said, it is a steep and slippery slope.
On an related issue but a different target.
I was in a park in Los Angeles on the holiday weekend getting ready to BBQ lunch for 17 people. LAPD officers were on foot patrol around the park and came up and told me I had 20 minutes to get my propane BBQ off of the property as propane BBQ's are now illegal to have in the park. They claim it is a fire hazard. This is a totally enclosed firebox we are talking about here. There were many people using charcoal BBQ'S with 2 foot flames leaping off of them, but those are OK,it is only propane that is illegal. Dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. 2 foot flames, OK
enclosed box not. Couldn't believe it.
It always STARTS as a secondary offense, then the "do-gooders" make it a primary offense
"The seatbelt law was passed here in Florida with the promise that it would have to always be a 'secondary offense'. "
Yes, same here in Washington state. I think it is the same story in pretty much every state where the law has had a chance to "mature".
So even if you are blind? Fail a driver's exam?
"Each of us owns himself, and it follows that we should have the liberty to take risks with our own lives but not that of others."
That's a good pro-drug-use argument.
>>how is government officials enforcing a law that is the most basic law on the books for car drivers bad...
It's not about PUBLIC safety. Reread from the article:
"Each of us owns himself, and it follows that we should have the liberty to take risks with our own lives but not that of others. That means it's a legitimate use of state power to mandate that cars have working brakes because if my car has poorly functioning brakes, I risk the lives of others and I have no right to do so. If I don't wear a seatbelt I risk my own life, which is well within my rights."
>>how does it lead to a police state...
If you don't get the connection with cops in night vision gear pulling people over who are having no effect on PUBLIC safety, then I 'm not sure my explanations would help. Didn't you read the very brief article?:
"Government officials, if given power to control us, soon become zealots. Last year, Maryland state troopers were equipped with night vision goggles, similar to those used by our servicemen in Iraq, to catch night riders not wearing seatbelts. Maryland state troopers boasted that they bagged 44 drivers traveling unbuckled under the cover of darkness."
>>And amazingly enough there are plenty of morons on this, a supposedly conservative forum, who haven't realized that the government isn't their friend.<<
I've noticed that as well. It is curious.
I'm betting he didn't get a reply.
thats complete stupidity...im not worried about my driving, but rather the driving of others, such as the other poster about frequently running red lights....or the uninsured illegal immigrants ive been hit by twice out here in so cal. i wear the seat belt for my own protection. If this argument were held true, then assisted suicide should be allowed, but i think only oregon is stupid enough to allow that.
Move to New Hampshire, Walter. Live Free or Die!
The dept of transportation is saving lives and i applaud them for it.
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