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townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga

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Didn't see this posted already, but this past weekend saw lots of "law enforcement" cracking down on these beltless criminals who infest our highways. Between the stoplight cameras, speed traps and seatbelt enforcers, the police have crime all covered.

Meanwhile the Mexican invasion continues unabated with the connivance of federal state and local governments. Of course you wouldn't want the police to crack down on wetbacks. No money in it. Guess it's obvious the government by, for and of the people isn't the taxpaying middle class people whose loot powers the government.

1 posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
I think this is all about getting federal grants.

And, yes, government at all levels has an interesting set of priorities, does it not?

2 posted on 05/31/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by B Knotts
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i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california and it has worked well. i have yet to get a ticket because im not stupid enough to drive without a seatbelt...its equivalent to bungee jumping without a cord...common sense people.


3 posted on 05/31/2006 9:49:42 AM PDT by chrispycsuf (our troops need our support now more than ever)
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To: from occupied ga

In VA it's a secondary offense not to wear a seatbelt.


4 posted on 05/31/2006 9:49:49 AM PDT by Perdogg
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I couldn't agree more. The only thing that I can see that is good about seat belt laws is that we the people will be paying less for someone who injures themself in an accident and carries no insurance. But that is the only thing I can see good about them. I'm referring to adults of course, since children aren't able to make these decisions for themselves.


5 posted on 05/31/2006 9:50:08 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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You do not have the right to drive, it is a privilege, and to keep that privilege there are rules to follow.


6 posted on 05/31/2006 9:52:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: chrispycsuf

Let's compare the societal costs imposed by seatbeltless driving, and, say...illegal immigration, which, for some odd reason, government seems less eager to crack down on.


7 posted on 05/31/2006 9:52:08 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: from occupied ga

When I go to work I need to make a left turn at a traffic light that has a left turn light. There is almost no oncoming traffic but traffic going my direction is very heavy – but the light will not give me green until the cross street gets a green, which can be several minutes.

Anyway, what I do is, if there is no other car stopped there, I simply make a turn without even slowing down (assuming there are no oncoming cars and nobody in the crosswalk”. Well, the other day, a car ahead of me pulled into the lane and I thought, “nuts, I’m gonna have to wait for the light”. I was shocked when he did exactly what I do. And I thought I was such a rebel…

I don’t stop at such lights any more, unless there is a safety reason like oncoming traffic or a pedestrian. I even did it in front of a cop one day – with no ill effects whatsoever.

I do think we are seeing more traffic anarchy.


8 posted on 05/31/2006 9:53:07 AM PDT by RobRoy
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"If I don't wear a seatbelt I risk my own life, which is well within my rights."

Who gave you the right to raise insurance rates both for automobile drivers and for healthcare costs? When you crush your body in a mangled mess, do you honestly think it doesn't affect everyone else? I wish that weren't the case and that drivers were totally responsible for their own stupidity, but that's not reality.


9 posted on 05/31/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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"In VA it's a secondary offense not to wear a seatbelt."

heh, heh. Yes, it was everywhere else...at first. :)


10 posted on 05/31/2006 9:54:21 AM PDT by RobRoy
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i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die.


You need to reread the part in the WW article about the problem being socialism.

Your government regulators are undoubtedly responsible for the fact that you are unable to find an insurance company that offers a steep discount to drivers who agree to forgo compensation for injuries occurring if unbelted (possibly including unbelted passengers.)

You don't need a police state to avoid getting screwed on your insurance by moronic unbelted free riders.
11 posted on 05/31/2006 9:54:43 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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this is directed by the dept. of transportation of each state to local agencies...this is their job..not immigration. no govt stays focused on one single issue. i think this is a good example of a govt enforcing its laws. they can apply this to immigration by following those laws. by the way...the reference that was made to john stuart mill is right on...except that not buckling up leads to harm of others, by way of higher premiums, and loss of loved ones...this was the sketchiness of mill's four freedoms.


12 posted on 05/31/2006 9:55:08 AM PDT by chrispycsuf (our troops need our support now more than ever)
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To: Kirkwood

Such an argument can be made for the regulation almost any human behavior: diet, smoking, hobbies, sports, etc.


13 posted on 05/31/2006 9:55:25 AM PDT by B Knotts
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The seatbelt law was passed here in Florida with the promise that it would have to always be a 'secondary offense'. In other words, the traffic stop would have to be based on some offense other than failure to use a seatbelt.

Next time the lawmakers make a promise, remember what they did to this one.

14 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by capt. norm (Ben Franklin: "Does thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of")
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When they first started ticketing for seatbelts they said they would only do it when they already had stopped a driver for another offense. Now they are going nuclear. Much like when they first started smog control on cars it was fairly reasonable with cars over a certain age being exempt and a maximum on how much you could be forced to spend. Now that program is on steroids. The incrementalism of statists is very effective and chilling.


15 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by Honestfreedom
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Any law that saves money is, by definition, a good law.

</sarcasm>

Actually, I logged over half a million miles without a seat belt. How many bungee jumps would one survive without a cord?


16 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by RobRoy
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how we ever lived through life before seat belts is beyond me.we even rode in the back of pickups.yes we were daredevils.


17 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:35 AM PDT by old gringo
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And, yes, government at all levels has an interesting set of priorities, does it not?

Hmmm. They want to:

  1. disarm me
  2. increase my taxes
  3. take away my choices in health care
  4. force me to pay for illegal aliens while denying the same benefits to me
  5. drive a smaller lighter more dangerous vehicle
  6. buy gas when it's not convient for me
  7. etc
Yep their priorities aren't for my benefit. And amazingly enough there are plenty of morons on this, a supposedly conservative forum, who haven't realized that the government isn't their friend.
18 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:43 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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19 posted on 05/31/2006 9:57:32 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: dfwgator
You do not have the right to drive, it is a privilege, and to keep that privilege there are rules to follow.


You quote the big government socialists nicely.

I think that we have the right to transport ourselves freely at our own expense in our free nation. Subject to user fees for the shared expense of public roads, but if those who pay the fee have the right to use them.

"Privilege" is a cute word, but it is meaningless unless you tell us the principles under which the privilege can and can not be revoked. Once you do that, you have a "right", subject to responsibilities. Just like speech and bearing arms.
20 posted on 05/31/2006 9:57:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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