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To: B Knotts

i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california and it has worked well. i have yet to get a ticket because im not stupid enough to drive without a seatbelt...its equivalent to bungee jumping without a cord...common sense people.


3 posted on 05/31/2006 9:49:42 AM PDT by chrispycsuf (our troops need our support now more than ever)
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To: chrispycsuf

Let's compare the societal costs imposed by seatbeltless driving, and, say...illegal immigration, which, for some odd reason, government seems less eager to crack down on.


7 posted on 05/31/2006 9:52:08 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: chrispycsuf
i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die.


You need to reread the part in the WW article about the problem being socialism.

Your government regulators are undoubtedly responsible for the fact that you are unable to find an insurance company that offers a steep discount to drivers who agree to forgo compensation for injuries occurring if unbelted (possibly including unbelted passengers.)

You don't need a police state to avoid getting screwed on your insurance by moronic unbelted free riders.
11 posted on 05/31/2006 9:54:43 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: chrispycsuf

Any law that saves money is, by definition, a good law.

</sarcasm>

Actually, I logged over half a million miles without a seat belt. How many bungee jumps would one survive without a cord?


16 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: chrispycsuf

how we ever lived through life before seat belts is beyond me.we even rode in the back of pickups.yes we were daredevils.


17 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:35 AM PDT by old gringo
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To: chrispycsuf

"i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california and it has worked well. i have yet to get a ticket because im not stupid enough to drive without a seatbelt...its equivalent to bungee jumping without a cord...common sense people."

Most Communist Socialists do think it's a good idea.

Speaking of common sense, there's a book I recommend you read. It's called "Uncommon Sense" Probably written by a person you would loath.

His name was Thomas Paine.


44 posted on 05/31/2006 10:07:19 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: chrispycsuf
BS, these laws were supposed to be passive laws, now they have special revenue generating Clicket or ticket programs.

Doesn't cali allow no helmets on motorcycles but you have to buckle up in your car....
158 posted on 05/31/2006 10:48:48 AM PDT by vin-one (REMEMBER the WTC !!!!!!!!)
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To: chrispycsuf
it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california

Ok then its been around for about a year in cali great. Are you paying less for auto insurance nowthen you were 1 year ago?

163 posted on 05/31/2006 10:51:46 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: chrispycsuf

They've had this as a law in PA for a few years now I believe...and insurance premiums haven't budged.

Not wearing your seatbelt is the equivilant to riding a motorcycle without a helmet, the only difference in PA is that at the same time they made it law to have to wear you seatbelt they erased the law that you had to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.

Brilliant.


175 posted on 05/31/2006 10:55:39 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: chrispycsuf

I think you miss the entire point. It may be common sense, it may benefit you, it may benefit others. But to enforce this law upon everyone "for the common good" is immoral and evil. Hey, if the government mandated healthy lifestyles, as Mr. Williams points out, for the "common good" of us all, is it a good idea? Hey, someone else, in a speech in California no less, said a year or so ago, that she may just have to raise everyone's taxes for the "common good."


181 posted on 05/31/2006 10:59:30 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: chrispycsuf

Most wrecks are caused by incompetent drivers; why would you want to give them a second chance?


191 posted on 05/31/2006 11:06:14 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: chrispycsuf
i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california and it has worked well. i have yet to get a ticket because im not stupid enough to drive without a seatbelt...its equivalent to bungee jumping without a cord...common sense people.

Comrade! We have yet another successful example of the community education programs!

228 posted on 05/31/2006 11:32:58 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: chrispycsuf
i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california and it has worked well. i have yet to get a ticket because im not stupid enough to drive without a seatbelt...its equivalent to bungee jumping without a cord...common sense people.

And I think there are some people who are so stupid that they cannot figure out the purpose of Shift Key.

319 posted on 05/31/2006 12:38:30 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: chrispycsuf

'common sense'

The vast majority have never had the oppurtunity to work on an impaled, crushed, eviscerated, dismembered human in a medical setting. It's not fun.

If you choose not to be belted, so be it. But there should be a disclaimer clause on your insurance that they will cover NOTHING when you go thru the Veg-O-Matic.


474 posted on 05/31/2006 2:46:02 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: chrispycsuf

of course I probably wouldn't even need my seat belt if they caught all the drunk drivers and speeders (which by the way is already illegal)and of course here in the bluest of blue states Massachuestts you might aslo get hit by an illegal immigrant with a state issued drivers license


530 posted on 05/31/2006 3:37:45 PM PDT by edzo4
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To: chrispycsuf
I think you are joking but just in case.

Pleae re- read and think about what the good Dr wrote and re-think your conclusion because it is a wrong one at present.

If you are unable to grasp the inherently immoral aspect of efforts to control choices which affect the individual.
Be it smoking, driving a car without a seatbelt you are well primed to support the next loss of Liberty.

If you are unable to grasp the immorality of forcing people (like yourself) to pay for the stupidity of others.

What can one say?

Another failure of Public education to educate? A failure to to teach reason, logic, the meaning of Liberty what it means to be a free people. This issue is all about freedom. Smoking Laws, Seatbelt Laws all the rest are but manifestations of the mental illness that is socialism.

Sad in any case to see someone so eagerly surrender the
liberties small or large that others sacrificed so much to provide.

W,
556 posted on 05/31/2006 5:03:07 PM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: chrispycsuf
i think this is a great campaign...it keeps my car insurance down...

...you are the perfect example of a DUmmy... It is anathema to real conservative!. Seat belts make sense, but not its nothing to be enforced by laws or regulations! I hope you save enough to educate yourself on constitutional principles!

558 posted on 05/31/2006 5:13:26 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: chrispycsuf
I have always worn a seatbelt, and people who are my passengers always wear seatbelts, and when I'm the passenger, I always wear seatbelts......

however, let's be honest here......the police use such ruses to claim millions in fines for their departments.....the cops could care less if you die in an accident, but the thought of all that easy money......just waiting there....

and what better things could the cops do really?.....I mean, its not like drug abuse, child molestation, rape or murder are really that BIG of a problem, are they?....../sarcasm/

589 posted on 05/31/2006 11:25:11 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: chrispycsuf

Here in SC if your car has a lap and a shoulder belt, and you are wearing one without the other, you will get ticketed.
And, they have checkpoints and stop every car looking for ticketable offenses.

And, you are wrong about it being dangerous as bungee jumping, that's just silly. In fact, lap belts can be very dangerous for some folks depending on their size and how it fits (especially women).

The cops spend inordinate time as revenue generators for the city/state/county rather than out patrolling neighborhoods deterring crime.


628 posted on 06/01/2006 7:27:01 AM PDT by visualops (If you build it... www.visualops.com ...they won't come. Build the fence!)
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To: chrispycsuf

I agree fully


630 posted on 06/01/2006 7:33:39 AM PDT by NYC Republican (GOP is the worst political party, except for all the others...)
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To: chrispycsuf

I've had my car broken into 8 times in the last year, and I live in a neighborhood that looks like the set of Leave it to Beaver (which is probably why they pick our neighborhood).

In WA state, you practically get a handshake for stealing a car, yet I'm watching expensive ads on TV warning me to wear my seatbelt?

How about an ad that says, "Touch my car one more time and I'll cut your head off and put it on a pike outside of city hall."

Oh, and by the way I do agree that with up to 20 million illegals here and 1000's pouring across our southern border, the entire campaign is absurd. Let's enforce laws on people who are basically already law abiding, is what in effect they are saying.


658 posted on 06/02/2006 5:47:48 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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