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State’s (MI) proposed ‘shoot first’ law triggers debate
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| 30 May 2006
| Caitlin Dobson
Posted on 05/31/2006 6:10:01 AM PDT by holymoly
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Picture this: A homeless man comes up to you and in a demanding voice asks for money. You have no knowledge if he is armed, and he says nothing to suggest he is. Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the states concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him.And of all the (10?) States which have passed "Stand your ground"/"Castle doctrine" laws, Caitlin cannot provide a single example of something like this actually happening. All she can provide us with a hypothetical scenario. rather than the criminal/attacker?
Nothing like impartial reporting, Caitlin.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:10:02 AM PDT
by
holymoly
To: holymoly
rather than the criminal/attacker? = Bad editing, shouldn't be there.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:11:34 AM PDT
by
holymoly
(Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
To: holymoly
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:14:33 AM PDT
by
Puppage
(You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
To: holymoly
There aren't any homeless people around where I live so it's unlikely I'll be confronted with the situation.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:15:41 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
To: Puppage
Not one person has explained the need for this lawIt's a Bill of Rights. Not a bill of neeeeeeds.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:16:15 AM PDT
by
Puppage
(You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
To: holymoly
How about this scenario, Caitlyn. You are walking in some God-forsaken part of Detroit on assignment. You are attacked by a crazed homeless person who tries to strangle you. A by-stander with a license to carry shoots the attacker and saves your life. How do you feel about that carry law now, Caitlyn? I'll bet the latter situation is much more likely to occur than the one you presented in your biased, anti-gun report.
To: holymoly
...not in self-defense against someone threatening to cause you bodily harm, but simply because you felt threatened.Absolute BS, a classic straw dog.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:20:56 AM PDT
by
facedown
(Armed in the Heartland)
To: holymoly
Picture this: A homeless man bum comes up to you and in a demanding voice asks for money. You have no knowledge if he is armed, and he says nothing to suggest he is. Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the states concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him.Shooting the bum who accosted you in a threatining manner would be bad because?
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:22:07 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
To: holymoly
A homeless man comes up to you and in a demanding voice asks for money. You have no knowledge if he is armed, and he says nothing to suggest he is. Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the states concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him. This sounds more like a advertisement to SUPPORT the new law than a reason to be against it.
Very few people want to put up with aggressive homeless, and a little fear and respect from them is reason alone to pass this.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:22:18 AM PDT
by
Balding_Eagle
(God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
To: holymoly
However, the law already gives citizens the right to protect themselves, says Shikha Hamilton, state president of the Million Mom March chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Additional measures would just be overkill, Hamilton says.
the way the law stands right now, a person can literally kick in your door, and remove everything from your house, as long as they are not actively threatening violence. yeah, that makes me feel protected in my home.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:22:18 AM PDT
by
absolootezer0
("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
To: holymoly
The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:
One: It establishes, in law, the presumption that a criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is there to cause death or great bodily harm, therefore a person may use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person.
Two: It removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked in any place you have a right to be. You no longer have to turn your back on a criminal and try to run when attacked. Instead, you may stand your ground and fight back, meeting force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others. [This is an American right repeatedly recognized in Supreme Court gun cases.]
Three: It provides that persons using force authorized by law shall not be prosecuted for using such force.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:23:23 AM PDT
by
facedown
(Armed in the Heartland)
To: cripplecreek; apackof2; Dan from Michigan
I hope to hell it passes. My only regret, right now, is that my kids are way to good at getting into things they shouldn't, so we don't have any firearms. I have a drug thug living next door to me right now--a squatter--who threatened me about ten days ago. I called dispatch (not 911) to see if the police could do anything for me. They advised me to stay indoors for a few days, let the guy cool off. I'm not making this up.
Since then, the thug comes over to my house several times a day, peeking in the windows, muttering threats, making obscene gestures, etc. This guy is twice my size, easy. I'm home alone with a toddler all day. The police will not do a damn thing.
My realtor was over last night. In the hour he was here (one stinking hour!) he watched close to a dozen deals go down in our driveway. I'd love for Mark Alley to spend just 24 hours being me. He wouldn't come away being so damned pantywaisted about this proposed law, that's for sure.
/rant
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:33:25 AM PDT
by
grellis
(will do dishes for tagline)
To: from occupied ga
"Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the states concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him."
OK - you don't have your handgun with you (because maybe you're going into a Post office for example), so you instead beat him sensless and perhaps he dies - would that be OK?
I mean as long as he's not killed by a gun......
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:35:56 AM PDT
by
Psalm 73
("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
To: holymoly
I grew up on the lower Eastside of Detroit. We ALWAYS had a shoot first policy...trust Mikey on this one.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:40:33 AM PDT
by
Mikey_1962
(If you build it, they won't come...)
To: holymoly
"You have no knowledge if he is armed, and he says nothing to suggest he is. Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the states concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him."
________________________________________________________
You (person in this hypothetical scenario) are a complete idiot. You deserve to be put in jail.
According to the first sentence there is no threat of lethality or serious bodily harm. If you REALLY feel threatened, get the F out of there.
This person should read up a bit on "escalation of force" and how it pertains to legally carrying a firearm.
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:48:08 AM PDT
by
taxed2death
(A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
To: holymoly
Don't expect rational thought from the Left-stream Mass Media and all your surprises will be pleasent. This idiot "writer" is a perfect example.
In fact, people like Caitlin make me feel "threatened"...
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:49:27 AM PDT
by
Dead Corpse
(It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
To: from occupied ga
Shooting the bum who accosted you in a threatining manner would be bad because? Dunno.. scratching my head over that one as well. One less goblin in the world. BFD...
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:51:30 AM PDT
by
Dead Corpse
(It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
To: grellis
that my kids are way to good at getting into things they shouldn't,Your kids are too ill controlled to understand the words "do not touch?" You have three choices
- Move
- Hide in your house and hope that nothing happens
- get a firearm, learn how to use it, and keep it away from your kids.
Several decades ago, my great aunt and uncle (both since deceased) who were in their '70s at the time had a problem similar to yours - bums/squatters living nearby. Even back then the police would do nothing (which is all police ever do unless you fail to wear your seatbelt). The problem went away when one of the squatters came in their house an demanded money and got a 30-06 round in the chest instead. (It was my great aunt who shot him)
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:53:09 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
To: holymoly
You are carrying a pistol legally because of the 2nd Admendment of the US Constituiton and Article I, Section 6 of the Michigan Constituition concealed weapon law
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:57:03 AM PDT
by
ASA Vet
(Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
To: Dead Corpse
Dunno.. scratching my head over that one as well.The only thing I could come up with is that bums are to liberals like cows are to Indians
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posted on
05/31/2006 6:57:47 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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