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AGAINST SCHOOL How public education cripples our kids, and why
Spinning Globe ^ | September 2003 | John Taylor Gatto

Posted on 05/30/2006 6:16:57 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

I taught for thirty years in some of the worst schools in Manhattan, and in some of the best, and during that time I became an expert in boredom. Boredom was everywhere in my world, and if you asked the kids, as I often did, why they felt so bored, they always gave the same answers: They said the work was stupid, that it made no sense, that they already knew it. They said they wanted to be doing something real, not just sitting around. They said teachers didn't seem to know much about their subjects and clearly weren't interested in learning more. And the kids were right: their teachers were every bit as bored as they were.

(Excerpt) Read more at spinninglobe.net ...


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KEYWORDS: boredom; gatto; publicschools; publikskoolz
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1 posted on 05/30/2006 6:16:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

The article is a couple of years old, but very revealing.


2 posted on 05/30/2006 6:17:46 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Well, I've only been teaching for 2 years but I have to disagree. I am never bored with teaching or with what I'm teaching. Only frustrated that my students don't see the value in learning to write well. They just don't think it's a valuable skill.


3 posted on 05/30/2006 6:20:32 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Clintonfatigued

Oh Captain! My Captain...!

4 posted on 05/30/2006 6:20:38 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Clintonfatigued

Everything Gatto writes is very revealing. You ought to read "The Six Lesson School Teacher" Do a search for his name.
It will open your eyes!


5 posted on 05/30/2006 6:20:50 PM PDT by Shimmer128
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To: Shimmer128; Born Conservative; DaveLoneRanger; Tired of Taxes

Here's a statement worth remembering:

"By the time I finally retired in 1991, 1 had more than enough reason to think of our schools-with their long-term, cell-block-style, forced confinement of both students and teachers-as virtual factories of childishness."


6 posted on 05/30/2006 6:23:56 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: wizardoz
I've only been teaching for 2 years

Why do you degrade teaching?
7 posted on 05/30/2006 6:24:53 PM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I get the feeling the author isn't so much against the 'public' part of 'public education', as much as he is against the current methods of the 'education' part. Perhaps a return to the good ole days of apprenticeships for 12 year olds at the local sawmill are in order. Who needs all that high falutin', boring science and engineering anyway?

I could be wrong, though.
8 posted on 05/30/2006 6:29:38 PM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I won't argue that there are problems in the schools that can be directly tied to the unions, the teachers and the administration, but I have tell you that a lot of the problem is a large contingent of students who aren't going to learn no matter what you do. This group of students is large enough to seriously bias educational statistics.


9 posted on 05/30/2006 6:29:55 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I like this one better.

One afternoon when I was seven I complained to him of boredom, and he batted me hard on the head. He told me that I was never to use that term in his presence again, that if I was bored it was my fault and no one else's. The obligation to amuse and instruct myself was entirely my own, and people who didn't know that were childish people, to be avoided if possible. Certainty not to be trusted.


10 posted on 05/30/2006 6:33:46 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: kenavi

How did I degrade teaching?


11 posted on 05/30/2006 6:38:03 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: wizardoz
I went from teaching history to sucess in sales. I always though I did well in sales because I got to be good at selling kids on history. So, take that as part of your job. First convince them that writing is important. Then teach them how to do it.

But it does get old, year after year.

I decided once that the schools were training bureaucrats to work in the state government. And they are run by bureaucracies. I am not sure corporations have much of a role.

12 posted on 05/30/2006 6:44:13 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; wizardoz

Read his book!
The Underground History of American Education


http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm


13 posted on 05/30/2006 6:58:47 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: agrace; bboop; cgk; Conservativehomeschoolmama; cyborg; cyclotic; dawn53; Diva Betsy Ross; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

(An older article, but still worth the read).


14 posted on 05/30/2006 7:01:23 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: wizardoz

There are a lot of dedicated, concerned, and well-meaning individuals who work in the public schools, and I'm sure you're one of them. They do their best, but their individual efforts are undermined by the system as a whole.


15 posted on 05/30/2006 7:01:31 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes. The system as a whole reinforces the childrens' sense of entitlement and their motivation is nil because of it.


16 posted on 05/30/2006 7:02:52 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Domestic Church
Great read!

CC&E

17 posted on 05/30/2006 7:12:15 PM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Coming soon: A great new tag line!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I doubt anyone would miss the Prussian method of schooling if it were allowed to die from disuse.
18 posted on 05/30/2006 7:14:47 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Antonello
The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto
19 posted on 05/30/2006 7:18:56 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

"Genius is as common as dirt."

I totally agree with this statement...


20 posted on 05/30/2006 7:21:32 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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