Evidence of massacre by Marines caught on film

The Courier Mail ^ | May 29, 2006 | AP

[FlingWingFlyer]

LOL! I know EXACTLY what you mean but I've got a mean streak and love to pull chains and tweak people. Nice meeting you.

[SFC Chromey]

The women and children killed are definitely a difficulty but are we sure they were killed by American soldiers? No solid facts at this point.

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It would take extracting the bullets to determine the weapons used.

I wonder how involved the children were while the Islamo-fascists were planting the IED. I also wonder just how involved the women in this area were, if for no other reason that this town is part of the Sunni controlled areas.

I wonder how many rocks were thrown at civilian contractor truck drivers and vehicle gunners when convoys passed through. I wonder how many times the women stood by while potshots are fired from behind them, as convoys pass by.

Anti-Coalition forces have had their run through this area until late last year.

I think there was a build up of activity in the immediate area before anything approaching this level of response would have been warranted. And that is IF the 'suspicions' are true.


In my 13 months in country I saw only 1 innocent woman killed.

[Mordacious]

"The stain on the US military could prove harder to erase than the photographs of sadistic abuse and torture by US guards at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. " The above was silly.

Especially when you realize that there are folks who'll happily fork over a few hundred bucks to have some dominatrix give them the same treatment. Seriously, the media has seen to it that we've lost the true meaning of the word torture.

[calex59]

Hmmm, from what I read they have pictures of dead people, not marines shooting them. How can they claim that is evidence of marines shooting civilians? Anyone could have killed these people and my money is on the terrorists killing them during the fire fight, which supposedly lasted for 5 hours or so, and then blamed it on the marines.

[Political Junkie Too]

Is this going to turn into another "Jenin Massacre" story?

-PJ

[rolling_stone]

hmm I seen to recall some media quickly condemning the Duke Lacrosse guys a while back..photos there seem to support their innocence...

[dayglored]

> ...Nice meeting you.

Likewise, my FRiend! Look forward to seeing more. There are lots of threads tonight with opportunities for biting commentary...

[Cringing Negativism Network]

A couple months ago Michelle Malkin (IIRC) had a link to a story, about an elaborately staged shooting in Palestinian territories - in which members of the intifada acted out being massacred for film, which sometimes was then showing up in news reports (which was the point of the research, following a particularly heavily publicized shooting of a man and his son)

Some French outlet ran with the story, I think.

It didn't actually happen at all. It was strictly staged for the cameras.

[Tigen]

BALISTICS WONT MATCH!

[JennysCool]

New thread up with a Washington Post story with an update on our "photographer":

Briones indicated that since returning home to Hanford, Calif., he has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from the corpses he saw and carried that day. "They ranged from little babies to adult males and females," the Times quoted him as saying.

Less than two days after coming home he was charged with stealing a pickup truck, leaving the scene of the accident, driving under the influence of alcohol and resisting arrest, the newspaper said.

[familyop]

That's another good point. Many have been brainwashed into believing that the accused are guilty until proven innocent.

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[Spruce]

Which is more logical, or possible:

A company of Marines Massacres 24 civilians, including children, and agree to cover it up. Because one, maybe two, are freaks? So the whole platoon decides to 'take it up the keister'.

Or, a platoon of Marines comes under fire, defends themselves, and in the ensuing battle the jihadis murder 24 civilians, including children, using a weapon taken from a fallen Marine, so that the exact reaction we are all having now ensues.

Weigh that with the fact that the jihadis have been trying to execute this exact plan since the day our forces crossed from Kuwait. And, in fact, failed in a Baghdad mosque only weeks ago.


These Marines are innocent.

[MaineVoter2002]

This story doesn't smell right

My thought exactly

[FlingWingFlyer]

I know. I've already had my tail feathers flamed a number of times. LOL!

[Tigen]

DRIVE BY MEDIA?

KERRY MURTHA FONDA LIBS TERRORISTS EVIL!

ONE IN THE SAME.

[mockingbyrd]

My memory is a little fuzzy on this but remember the hoopla over the Marine (I think) who shot an unarmed guy in a mosque? I think it was in Falujah and the poor kid thought the guy was playing dead and was actually trying to ambush them (because that happens over there). Anyway, the Marine shot the guy, who turned out to not be armed and was wounded, and all hell broke loose. The kid was cleared, turned out he had been hurt the day before but came back anyway.

It was caught on tape, but in the end even the media had to admit it was an understandable shooting (they would die before calling it justifiable). I bet in the end the same will be true here. I hope and pray it will.....

[FlingWingFlyer]

Check out how many times mommy mentions (psychological problems.)

[Northern Alliance]

I felt the same way as Reactionary.

The reason is simple. If, if a massacre took place, I trust the truth will come to light and the guilty will be punished. If true, that 24 innocent people died at our hands is terrible.

But how many more people - and not dozens, but 100's, or 1,000's or 10,000's will die because the ACLU will press for those pictures, plaster them over the Internet, and they will be used to recruit large numbers of terrorists, Islamofascists, suicide/homicide bombers and IDE deliverers? They will be used to empower our enemies and weaken the resolve and effectiveness of friends at home and abroad. That will be the real significance of this event, if it happened as is now being reported.

[metmom]

My thoughts exactly. How do we know they people killed were not killed by their own?

They do it every day in every way.

Why not now as another method of political propaganda to weaken our resolve and make our guys look just like them?

Or how about: make our their guys look just like them us?

So even if they have reports of guys in marine uniforms, does that really prove anything? It sounds like there are no pictures of the act itself. I agree that it could have been some of their own and then our guys shot the perpetrators.

I understand in war, people can crack, but a bunch of them at once? I would expect one of the group to try to disuade the other(s). It smells fishy but we'll have to wait and see. Unfortunately, in the world today, if you're American, it's guilty until proven innocent.

I fear for the reaction in the muslim world; they've gone on the rampage for far less provocation.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Maybe I have too much tin foil, but I have detected a slight change in the air ever since the presser with the President and Tony Snow.

The President was somber and even when he spoke this weekend, his "Stay the course" part seemed to have a new sense of urgency.

Am I the only one who senses something might be going on? I admit, it is nothing more than a hunch based on how things are said rather than what is said.