Cylindrical Seal With A Strange Design Discovered In Dezful (Iran)

CHN ^ | 5-28-2006

[B.O. Plenty]

No islam....know peace

[litehaus]

After a fashion he's still at it......The gene pool from that "tribe" is rampant thruout the present population....maybe explains some attitude towards cruelty?

[litehaus]

'Moghuls' supplied many of the Islamic rulers of India. The 'Mongols'.....Are the TWO same, but from different times and places, but essentially the same "plains horsemen/archers?"

[JimSEA]

As I understand, the Mongol empire was broken up into the Golden Horde, the White Horde, Moghulistan (where the eventual rulers of India originated), etc.. These areas could eventually not be held under the decedents of Genghis Khan and became subject to warlords (at base this was the origin of Tamerlane). It is confusingly complex. Much of the central Asian tribalism can be traced back to the breakup of the Horde (actually its return to the tribalism from which Genghis Khan united it). The Horde rolled over and destroyed many Steppe cultures in their expansion out of their mountains.

[bert]

Could be sculpturer error or perhaps modern artistic license of the period in hoof carving.

[gopheraj]

Good Lord! I really must be a redneck. LOL I read that as taters. Must be all that tater salad I made yesterday!

Some of his descendants, the Tatars,

[S0122017]

There are sculpture in China (supposedly dragons) that look just like that.

http://www.thejadetrade.com/ian/p22b.html

I think these lion-like dragons probably really are lions. Don't forget that that there are no lions in Japan and China, so pictures of them would have made an impression. Then maybe dragon-ized, the pictures might have made it back to the middle east.

[S0122017]

See? Horns, lion-body, wings.. if that ain't the same motif!

[SunkenCiv]

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[fish hawk]

Picture? How did they get a block wall into a cylindrical seal? And the front feet are Lions and the back feet are Eagle or at least bird feet (no cows hooves). No mention of the goat horns on the head. Something fishy in Denmark?

[wildbill]

One of the Mongols slaughtered everyone in Baghdad, about 750,000 estimated dead, in the 13th century because they failed to surrender to his horde.

[rdl6989]

a winged horse with a lion’s head and a cow’s hooves.

Ok, where are the Helen Thomas pics? I know they're coming!

[freedom44]

Thanks more than likely Zoroastrian.

[Ciexyz]

Mid East civilization ping.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1639878/posts?page=18#18

[Ciexyz]

The cylinder seal looks like the decorations from the walls of ancient Babylon, as I remember from my college textbook "Art of the Ancient Near East"...but then, it's been many years since my college days, hehehe.

[gleeaikin]

"How did they get a block wall into a cylindrical seal?"

I don't think the illustration was of the seal. I think they just used it to depict the kind of flying horse motif in use at the time."

regarding Chinese dragons, some think that their depiction may have been influenced by dinosaur fossil finds in the Gobi and elsewhere.

[SunkenCiv]

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