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PM slammed for Timor remarks
The Australian ^ | 28 May 2006

Posted on 05/27/2006 7:21:50 PM PDT by Fair Go

A US-BASED pressure group has warned Australia that its invited military intervention in East Timor to quell unrest did not entitle it to interfere in the country's government. The East Timor and Indonesia Action Network said it was concerned about the situation in East Timor, where the government, with the stated support of rebel leaders, requested the deployment of foreign forces to stem escalating violence.

"Timor-Leste must find ways, with respectful support from the international community, to deal with problems in a manner that will not require troops," ETAN said.

"Statements by Australian government leaders that providing security assistance entitles them to influence over Timor-Leste's government are undemocratic, paternalistic, and unhelpful."

"Who governs Timor-Leste is a decision to be made by its people within its constitution," the nongovernmental organisation (NGO) said in a statement.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard on Friday said that East Timor, where Canberra has ordered 1,300 soldiers to be sent to help quell a military rebellion, has a "significant governance problem."

"If things get out of control, and they clearly have, and outside help is needed, then those who provide the outside help are entitled to ask those who they are helping, 'Will you make sure that you run the country in future in a way that this doesn't allow this to happen,"' he said.

ETAN blamed Australia for much of the problems in the tiny fledgling country, which gained independence from Indonesia in 1999.

"Australia bears special responsibility for Timor's underdevelopment by refusing to return revenues, totalling billions of dollars, from the disputed petroleum fields in the Timor Sea, including Laminaria-Corallina, and by bullying Timor-Leste into forsaking revenues that should rightfully belong to it under current international law and practice," the NGO said.

"Australia should not view its current assistance to Timor-Leste as a favour, to be repaid, but instead as a partial repayment for the debt Australia owes the Timorese people for its help during WW (World War) II and for Australia's deep complicity in Indonesia's invasion and occupation."

The NGO's remarks echoed those of Portugal's foreign minister, Diogo Freitas de Amaral, who rapped the Australian prime minister for criticizing the authorities in East Timor, which Lisbon ruled for four centuries.

"We consider this an interference in the internal affairs of East Timor and ... we disagree with this kind of statement by foreign countries," said the Portuguese minister as new violence rocked the poverty-stricken country's capital Dili.

Portugal has ordered 120 troops to help put down the violence in East Timor, which Lisbon turned over to Indonesia in 1975.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1975; 1999; australia; chomsky; communists; diogofreitasdeamaral; easttimor; etan; fretilin; marxists; mozambique; naturalgas; noamchomsky; portugal; timor; timorsea
If anyone is responsible for the problems of East Timor, it is Portugal. East Timor is a former Portugese colony and in 1975 Portugal withdrew to leave East Timor at the mercy of Indonesia. What a bloody nerve!
1 posted on 05/27/2006 7:21:53 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

Yeah, those Portugese are nothing but trouble, let's get 'em!


2 posted on 05/27/2006 7:24:32 PM PDT by Quark606
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To: americanstrategist
Snuff 'em! Oh wait...

ETAN blamed Australia for much of the problems in the tiny fledgling country, which gained independence from Indonesia in 1999.

So a NGO gets quoted--and also has some sort of added credibility apparently because it is US Based--as blaming the government for them being there? Where have I heard this before?
3 posted on 05/27/2006 7:35:27 PM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: Fair Go
"If things get out of control, and they clearly have, and outside help is needed, then those who provide the outside help are entitled to ask those who they are helping, 'Will you make sure that you run the country in future in a way that this doesn't allow this to happen,"' he said.

This is perfectly reasonable, and I wish our own State Department would apply this standard.

4 posted on 05/27/2006 7:41:38 PM PDT by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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Note that the anti-American and anti-Australian meddlers have been active in East Timor:

http://www.etan.org/

I wonder how much they have contributed to the present situation?


5 posted on 05/27/2006 7:46:44 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go
Statements by an unelected NGO telling a democratic government how to run its affairs seem to me to be undemocratic, paternalistic, and unhelpful.

If you take NGOs as a whole, a good case could probably be made that they do more harm than good. Of course there are exceptions.

6 posted on 05/27/2006 7:47:23 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Fair Go
In the immortal words of Darryl Kerrigan:

Tell 'em to get stuffed.

7 posted on 05/27/2006 7:50:37 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Verginius Rufus

They are starting to have a big influence in places such as the UN. They need watching and there has to be some form of accountability.


8 posted on 05/27/2006 7:50:42 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

Any organization which features a message from Noam Chomsky on its website is definitely suspect. And the banner at the top about the struggle continuing has a definite Marxist pedigree.


9 posted on 05/27/2006 7:50:47 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: naturalman1975

You might be interested in this site:

http://www.etan.org/


10 posted on 05/27/2006 7:51:38 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

And how many regiments does ETAN have in the field?

More to the point, is anyone from this group risking his hide to "stem escalating violence"?

No? Just mouthing platitudes from 10,000 miles away?

Then I think they can be safely ignored. If we need to be yammered at, we'll get them on the phone right away.


11 posted on 05/27/2006 7:53:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: Fair Go
My first thought was that Indonesian Muslim groups were behind it as they've never really gotten over not being able to conquer East Timor for Allah.

However, having had a look at ETAN's web site, it appears they're just the usual garden-variety clueless lefties.

12 posted on 05/27/2006 7:57:01 PM PDT by Heatseeker
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To: Fair Go

A couple of years ago this was a combat zone in the war of Muzzies vs. Everybody, and it can become one again.


13 posted on 05/27/2006 8:11:15 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Fair Go; Verginius Rufus; naturalman1975

The same anti-war anti-American and anti-Australian left group has also raised the same old tired "war for oil" red herring on East Timor:




http://www.ww4report.com/node/2014

"Aussie imperialism exploits East Timor unrest"

"...Few are talking (openly) about resource interests behind the current conflict. But the Timor Sea, bewteen East Timor and Australia (and disputed by both countries), is awash in oil just waiting to be exploited. Noted CNN, May 17, 2002:

...

Advocates for the East Timorese maintain that the oil zone lies wholly within waters that should be recognized as East Timor's according to international standards, and that Australia exploited the weakness of a small, newly independent nation to elbow in on the action. The Timor Sea Justice Campaign has been petitioning to have the maritime boundary redrawn in East Timor's favor.

If East Timor is now on its way to becoming a de facto (or de jure) Australian protectorate, the issue could be academic. Did the Australian secret service foment or inflame the current conflict on the island? We don't know that. But we think it is a legtimate question.

See our last post on ethnic struggles in the Indonesian archipelago, and our special report of June 2005 on US military interests in Indonesia."




Where the hell do they stand on?


14 posted on 05/27/2006 9:01:19 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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It seems that East Timor wanted to claim part of Australia's continental shelf and Australia said no. However, the West has been meddling in East Timor for some time. Have a look at this site:

http://www.etan.org/


15 posted on 05/27/2006 9:13:47 PM PDT by Fair Go
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Where the hell do they stand on?

Their d***s?

L

16 posted on 05/27/2006 9:16:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Fair Go

They are related to the blog link I posted. This is one heck of confused group. Well, it just shifts support to whatever group that opposes America the most. In the 1980s/90s the US had desires to see Indonesia not actively supporting Communists, while East Timor's FRETLIN was officially Marxist and tied with Afrco-Marxists like Mozambique's FRELIMO. So they supported East Timor.

Fast forward to 2002. Bin Laden is now America's enemy number 1 and Indonesia, since it is Islamic, and bin Laden is now opposing East Timor, they now shifted supported to Inodnesia.


17 posted on 05/27/2006 9:19:11 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NZerFromHK

Both John Howard and George Bush are keen to see the present secular government in Indonesia survive. Indonesia may be an islamic country, but at least the government is secular. There is also a lot of cooperation between Indonesia, the US and Australia in rooting out islamic terrorists. The last thing they want is an Islamic theocracy in Indonesia. I just wish all the left wing nutters would keep their noses out of this part of the world. I have no doubt they are encouraging separatism in places like Papua. All their meddling can achieve is a lot of bloodshed as is now happening in Timor.


18 posted on 05/27/2006 9:28:34 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

They are using a two-pronged strategy. On one hand they stir up separatism and blame the US assisting oppressive regimes friendly to it and that regime is so repressive that it is overlord to a people. When the US and the West wake up and do a 180, they then go to that oppressive regime and say the US is behind the plot of sessionism in order to make new "protectorates".

I see the likes of ETAN playing this two-pronged strategy.


19 posted on 05/27/2006 11:00:18 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NZerFromHK

I just wish more people were aware of trouble making groups such as these. They haven't got a clue.


20 posted on 05/27/2006 11:03:31 PM PDT by Fair Go
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