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LDS to push marriage amendment
The Deseret News ^ | 5-27-2006 | Elaine Jarvik

Posted on 05/27/2006 8:00:47 AM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: SealSeven

"Kill the insults post haste"...
"wannabe Gods of the Mormon church"...

Pot
Kettle
Black



101 posted on 05/27/2006 1:18:40 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: tpaine
I'm a constitutionalist, and the document is very libertarian, so yes.

The constitutional party is very interesting BUT at this time politically impotent -a vote for best versus a vote for good necessarily translates to a vote for bad e.g a democrat win.

>> Hmm, the consensus of power rules? -- In a constitutional republic? -- You sure? <<

Yes -the form of government and or representation simply determines the method of developing or building political consensus (power) e.g. in the case of the Presidential Election , consensus is derived from a majority of Electoral votes...

>> Jeffersonian/Madisonian republicans are " political losers"? -- Read the essay. <<

I simply peeled off the moral aspects of the "agrarian" ideology to fit my treatise -the losers are at this time moral liberal positions and as such those uncompromisingly tied at the waist to them e.g. dummies...

102 posted on 05/27/2006 1:22:20 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: nralife

Whatever happened to "teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"?

That is not a correct principal and that was guidance for the LDS, not the world!

Pleaes get it straight!

No pun intented!:)


103 posted on 05/27/2006 2:26:01 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: DBeers
I'm for the constitution, and the document is very libertarian, -- so yes, I'm a 'constitutionalist libertarian'.

The constitutional party is very interesting BUT at this time politically impotent

I'm not a CP party member.

-a vote for best versus a vote for good necessarily translates to a vote for bad e.g a democrat win.

The end justifies the method? Where have I heard that before?

Hmm, the 'consensus of power' rules? -- In a constitutional republic? -- You sure?

Yes -the form of government and or representation simply determines the method of developing or building political consensus (power)

Majority rule trumps restraints on power?

e.g. in the case of the Presidential Election , consensus is derived from a majority of Electoral votes...

Yeh sure, we've had a "consensus" since the last election.. Dream on.

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Jeffersonian/Madisonian republicans are " political losers"? -- Read the essay.

I simply peeled off the moral aspects of the "agrarian" ideology to fit my treatise -the losers are at this time moral liberal positions and as such those uncompromisingly tied at the waist to them e.g. dummies...

Here is the authors comment on the "agrarian ideology" you "peeled off".

"-- On one side of the divide were the agrarian republicans like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
They gave us the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, with their foundation stones of equal creation, personal freedom, and the inalienable rights of every citizen. Theirs was a republic of innate virtue, where crime and vice were nothing more than aberrations.
An individual's misbehavior was only of concern to the State when other citizens had been harmed by it.

On the other side of the divide were the puritanical republicans like the autocratic clergyman, Cotton Mather.
These men believed all citizens to be innate sinners, irresistibly driven to dastardly deeds unless rigidly restrained by the State.

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This is what you claim is a losers position for 'them DUmmies'? -- Get a grip.

104 posted on 05/27/2006 2:28:19 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: SealSeven

It seems like the Lord has changed his mind several times in the OT there was plural Marriage and than there wasn't

Humm!


105 posted on 05/27/2006 2:37:10 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: tpaine

Libertarians are politically impotent -that is the reality premising both your last posting and my lack of concern...


106 posted on 05/27/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: nralife

are you for same sex marriage?


107 posted on 05/27/2006 2:38:59 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: SealSeven

What does this have to do with same sex marriage that is another topic or is it the LDS your bone with?

Would let same sex marriage over you ax with the LDS!


108 posted on 05/27/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: nralife

are you familiar with the Journal of Discourses section 132? "

So!

The topic for the short attention span is Same sex marriage!


109 posted on 05/27/2006 2:42:32 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: SealSeven

So I am to take it when the Lord ready to receive his joint heirs you will decline!:)


110 posted on 05/27/2006 2:46:17 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: SealSeven
I have plenty of revelations...

Oh I'll just bet you do, and a raft of proof to go along with it. You will excuse me if I don't appreciate or believe any of it.

I don't know what Gods you are talking about, because there is as the scriptures state, but one God.

111 posted on 05/27/2006 3:26:37 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wita
I don't know what Gods you are talking about, because there is as the scriptures state, but one God.

We are in agreement but,

Joseph Smith said "where I have preached on the subject of diety, it has [been on] the Duality of Gods." (Teachings of the Prophet, Joseph Smith p 370) Mc Conkie said "there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus Gods." (Mormon Doctrine, McConkie pp 576-577)

112 posted on 05/27/2006 4:09:12 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: Cymbaline
"Kill the insults post haste"... "wannabe Gods of the Mormon church"... Pot Kettle Black

Wrong. This is their belief.

113 posted on 05/27/2006 4:10:23 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: nralife

Are you saying that God would want same sex marriages? Maybe I misunderstood you, since you were a bit vague, but that is the message I got from your post.


114 posted on 05/27/2006 4:13:45 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: restornu
What does this have to do with same sex marriage that is another topic or is it the LDS your bone with?

You are correct. And as I stated in an earlier post, my apologies. It was not my intention to hijack the thread.

Would let same sex marriage over you ax with the LDS!

Is this a question or a statement? I don't understand what your trying to say.

115 posted on 05/27/2006 4:15:49 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: restornu
So I am to take it when the Lord ready to receive his joint heirs you will decline!:)

Joint heirs? God and man are not equals.

116 posted on 05/27/2006 4:17:54 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: SealSeven

I believe Cymbaline was referring to the tone of your post and not the content. Use of a slang term like "wannabe Gods" is in that case pejorative and insulting.


117 posted on 05/27/2006 4:18:23 PM PDT by Burkean
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To: nralife

Ignore my question, as I should have read more of the thread before asking it. I am still not sure where you are coming from, but oh well.


118 posted on 05/27/2006 4:19:58 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: SealSeven

So I am to take it when the Lord ready to receive his joint heirs you will decline!:) ~ Joint heirs? God and man are not equals.

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That is not what the scriptures say!

Roman 8

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


119 posted on 05/27/2006 4:20:42 PM PDT by restornu ( Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? D&C 132:9)
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To: Burkean
believe Cymbaline was referring to the tone of your post and not the content. Use of a slang term like "wannabe Gods" is in that case pejorative and insulting.

My intention was not to insult anyone. If I did, I apologize. What would you call it?

120 posted on 05/27/2006 4:22:51 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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