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To: DBeers
I'm for the constitution, and the document is very libertarian, -- so yes, I'm a 'constitutionalist libertarian'.

The constitutional party is very interesting BUT at this time politically impotent

I'm not a CP party member.

-a vote for best versus a vote for good necessarily translates to a vote for bad e.g a democrat win.

The end justifies the method? Where have I heard that before?

Hmm, the 'consensus of power' rules? -- In a constitutional republic? -- You sure?

Yes -the form of government and or representation simply determines the method of developing or building political consensus (power)

Majority rule trumps restraints on power?

e.g. in the case of the Presidential Election , consensus is derived from a majority of Electoral votes...

Yeh sure, we've had a "consensus" since the last election.. Dream on.

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Jeffersonian/Madisonian republicans are " political losers"? -- Read the essay.

I simply peeled off the moral aspects of the "agrarian" ideology to fit my treatise -the losers are at this time moral liberal positions and as such those uncompromisingly tied at the waist to them e.g. dummies...

Here is the authors comment on the "agrarian ideology" you "peeled off".

"-- On one side of the divide were the agrarian republicans like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
They gave us the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, with their foundation stones of equal creation, personal freedom, and the inalienable rights of every citizen. Theirs was a republic of innate virtue, where crime and vice were nothing more than aberrations.
An individual's misbehavior was only of concern to the State when other citizens had been harmed by it.

On the other side of the divide were the puritanical republicans like the autocratic clergyman, Cotton Mather.
These men believed all citizens to be innate sinners, irresistibly driven to dastardly deeds unless rigidly restrained by the State.

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This is what you claim is a losers position for 'them DUmmies'? -- Get a grip.

104 posted on 05/27/2006 2:28:19 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Libertarians are politically impotent -that is the reality premising both your last posting and my lack of concern...


106 posted on 05/27/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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