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Court denies last-ditch appeal of exit exam
Contra Costa Times ^ | 5/26/6 | Shirley Dang

Posted on 05/26/2006 10:12:25 PM PDT by SmithL

A state court of appeals has decided against ruling on the high school exit exam before graduation, dealing what seems a final blow to 47,000 high school seniors who flunked the test required for a diploma.

On Thursday, the appellate court scheduled oral arguments for July 25, more than a month after most students would have donned a cap and gown. Lawyers for students suing over the test asked justices to settle the issue of diplomas now, reserving the right to decide the merits of the case later.

Friday afternoon, the court denied the request. Arturo Gonzalez, the lawyer representing five Richmond High School students, said he would continue to fight the case at the July 25 hearing.

"This case is far from over," Gonzalez said in a statement.

As of last count, 47,000 California seniors, or 11 percent statewide, had failed the exam.

In February, five Richmond High School students joined a suit claiming that the state did not provide an equal chance for all students to learn the material. On May 12, an Alameda Superior Court judge ruled in their favor.

On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court stayed the decision and ordered the appellate court to hash out a ruling.

Superintendent of Schools Jack O'Connell said he welcomed the appeals' court decision to stick with the original timetable.

"School districts throughout California now have certainty, and should proceed with graduation exercises for the Class of 2006 as planned before the exit exam was challenged in court," O'Connell said in a release.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: exitexam; graduation; publicschools; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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To: VictoryGal
"A parent who only finds out his child is doing poorly in school when he fails the high-school state exam is just not paying attention. I mean, come on."

I mean come on Skippy. The freaking parents would sure as heck know the kids had problems if they failed 6th grade several times also! Then they might get involved. Sorry, no excuse for the teachers shuffling them through.
21 posted on 05/26/2006 10:55:33 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: SmithL
In February, five Richmond High School students joined a suit claiming that the state did not provide an equal chance for all students to learn the material.

I guess 13 years of K-12 just isn't enough...ok, enough sarcasm!

22 posted on 05/26/2006 11:04:59 PM PDT by JRios1968 (In memoriam...)
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To: SmithL
These judges have to understand that these young skulls full of mush have had a busy year protesting against the war and "marching" in support of illegal immigrants. Doesn't that count?

sarcasm/off

23 posted on 05/26/2006 11:16:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Mexico. The number one importer of "poverty" and crime to America.)
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To: Beagle8U

Sigh. Whatever. Yeah, the teachers shouldn't promote kids if they're not ready. But, ultimately it's the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kid gets a good education, and it's the kid's responsibility to do the best he can.

If a parent pops the kid into the education system like they would a shirt into a washing machine, they're at best ignorant and at worst neglectful.

What parent of kids with straight D's wouldn't get after the kid and the teachers well before high school exit exams? A bad one.

Repeat after me: Personal Responsibility.


24 posted on 05/26/2006 11:18:36 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Beagle8U
Unless they have some proof that 11% of the kids in California are retarded and unable to learn, the teachers failed.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him learn to speak English and learn basic math while he's dealing drugs in the boy's room.

25 posted on 05/26/2006 11:20:59 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: VictoryGal
"Sigh. Whatever. Yeah, the teachers shouldn't promote kids if they're not ready. But, ultimately it's the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kid gets a good education, and it's the kid's responsibility to do the best he can."

The parents are paying the stupid teachers to teach their kids, if the teachers keep passing the failing students, the parents might not know that the kid has problems.

You want to blame the kids ( who will just skate if allowed to) and the parents that are paying the teachers to teach.

Sorry, I don't buy it, fire those failed teachers that allowed it to happen.
26 posted on 05/26/2006 11:30:19 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: kinoxi
Can't graduate due to lack of education... sue?

No, Si!

27 posted on 05/26/2006 11:33:20 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Remember the good old days when the worst thing the MSM did was fawn over Andropov?)
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To: Beagle8U

I'm not saying incompetent teachers shouldn't be fired. I'm saying that the failed exit exam for high school shouldn't be the parents' first clue. If it is, they just aren't paying attention.


28 posted on 05/26/2006 11:34:13 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: JohnnyZ
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him learn to speak English and learn basic math while he's dealing drugs in the boy's room."

That is true, but if they fail to make it out of 6th grade you couldn't say its a new problem that just cropped up in 12th grade.
29 posted on 05/26/2006 11:35:43 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: SmithL

I dun ne wts wrong wit kidds this daze.


30 posted on 05/26/2006 11:37:19 PM PDT by heights
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To: VictoryGal
"I'm not saying incompetent teachers shouldn't be fired. I'm saying that the failed exit exam for high school shouldn't be the parents' first clue. If it is, they just aren't paying attention."

You don't pay attention very well either. I said they should never advance in school beyond their knowledge level. The parents would get that clue long before high school graduation tests.
31 posted on 05/26/2006 11:41:58 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: SmithL
....dealing what seems a final blow to 47,000 high school seniors who flunked the test required for a diploma.

That's a lot of Democrat voters.

32 posted on 05/26/2006 11:42:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
"That's a lot of Democrat voters."

Its only 11% of the students in California, and look at it this way, they likely still qualify to be public school teachers.
33 posted on 05/26/2006 11:49:58 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: Beagle8U

You missed my point. I wasn't saying that there aren't bad teachers out there. I was saying that the teachers (both good and bad) are under pressure, with threat of firing, to do what you do NOT want them doing - passing students. The ones forcing the teachers to pass students are often school administrators. If you fired a lot of the liberal school administrators, I think you'd see Johnny being held back if he couldn't learn English. Even good teachers can't do much if the school administration doesn't back their decisions to hold students back.


34 posted on 05/27/2006 12:10:33 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: NinoFan
The administrators would be the first ones I fired.
35 posted on 05/27/2006 12:26:26 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: VictoryGal
"How dare you flunk my pwecious widdle boobiekins"

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

36 posted on 05/27/2006 12:27:55 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: SmithL

Will this help or hurt O'Connell's attempt at reelection? I think the unions have backed him.


37 posted on 05/27/2006 12:57:27 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: NinoFan
If you fired a lot of the liberal school administrators, I think you'd see Johnny being held back if he couldn't learn English. Even good teachers can't do much if the school administration doesn't back their decisions to hold students back.

This brings up a good point. In my small town, we have THREE superintendants. What do they do? What are they for? Add to that, layers of principals, assistant principals, guidance counsellors who give bad advice, school psychologists ( I know three in different states, all of whom should not have access to children), and a whole feeding trough of other "Education Professionals" who really have nothing to do with actual teaching.

Upon reading the salaries in the town report, it appears a LOT of teachers could have been hired for what we are paying for this "overhead". ( That is not the original term I used..I edited it to make it Family Friendly.)

< Jonathan Swift Mode >

Some of the "Professionals" I know socially would make a bigger contribution to the world if they went through Saddam's pelletizer, whereafter they could be used on tomato gardens.

< /Jonathan Swift Mode >

38 posted on 05/27/2006 3:30:02 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: SmithL

This story and the thread strike me as strange. Sort of like debating which paint colors would look best on a sinking ship.

None of this. Not the test, not whether to hand out a diploma, not the abysmal standards, would be at all relevant if the children were being homeschooled.

You know, there are going to be two groups of adults in the future: those who were homeschooled...and those who work for them. We're continuing to devote energy, time, and incredible amounts of resources to an utterly failed paradigm.


39 posted on 05/27/2006 4:22:15 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: stubernx98

"I am for vouchers as the only way to save our education system, and give the parents a sense of ownership."

I respectfully disagree with you. I don't like vouchers. Not because of what they promise, i.e. school choice, but because they're a political sham.

Voucher programs have been tried in several areas and in every case I've heard about, they've been smacked down by the courts. Rightly or wrongly, they're a dead issue. For "conservative" politicians to continue to tout them is in my view disingenuous. They're a political straw man and a feel-good soundbite that accomplishes nothing.

What I'd much rather see, and which would have a better chance of withstanding legal challenge, is simply a very generous tax credit for parents with children coupled with tuition charges for the government schools. People don't value a service that they don't have to scratch the check for. Parents would be free to spend their money as they see fit; for private school tuition or government school tuition. Best of all, a generous tax credit would allow more parents the opportunity to teach their children at home should they choose to do so.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see it anytime soon. Many "conservative" politicians like to talk about school choice in the theoretical sense, but when it comes down to it, they're not all that interested in changing the status quo.


40 posted on 05/27/2006 4:45:35 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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