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Evidence portrays Russia as failed state (WOMEN WANT OUT)
Japan Times ^ | May 24, 2006 | DAVID WALL

Posted on 05/26/2006 1:31:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

LONDON -- Have you read Russian President Vladimir Putin's 2006 State of the Nation message yet? The one he gave last week? You should.

You may have seen some references to it in the press. A lot was made of his statements that the Cold War is continuing and also that what the Russian Federation needs is love. Good media stuff that. But actually, when you read the whole thing (only 18 pages) it is difficult not to come to the conclusion that this is the testament of a failed state.

Let me tell you why I reach that conclusion. But first let me pull back a bit and ask you to do some of the work. Sit at your computer and type "Russian women" into Google. OK?

Now, when you see the result what do you make of the information that hundreds of thousands of Russian women are trafficking themselves abroad -- in addition to the million or so who have been trafficked abroad against their will. Now type in "Russian orphans." OK? You can broaden this one by typing in "Russian babies" as well. In addition to the loss of babies overseas, Putin is also concerned about the fact that two-thirds of Russian babies are born unhealthy. Russia has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world.

In his speech, Putin complained that too few Russian children live long enough to become conscripts into the army; he also complained that of those who do live long enough "a huge number" suffer from chronic diseases and have problems with drinking, smoking and sometimes drugs as well.

To improve the army, he wants these problems addressed by introducing "pre-conscription military training and military sports." That will surely get the men off the bottle and needle -- a bit late for the more than million who already have AIDS.

Yes, Russia's population is decreasing by 700,000 a year. Women want out, babies are sold abroad and men are drinking, drugging and smoking themselves to death at an alarming and increasing rate.

Many of the Russians I meet tell me about their plans to move abroad and not go back. They talk with pride about how their children have "escaped" and about their plans to join them.

Are you beginning to understand why Putin describes the collapse of the Soviet Union as the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century? His speech brings to mind images of a cock on a dung hill, crowing while the heap slowly collapses under him.

It is sad that the greatest hope that the "leaders" of Russia can come up with, also set out in the State of the Nation speech, is for the millions of Russians who were forced by Stalin into the outer empire, Central Asia and the Caucasus, to come back to the fatherland. Or is that motherland?

Most of the exiles who had power or connections or money went back a long time ago. Those who remain are in a very sad situation. They are regarded with contempt by the locals. Go and hear the opera in Tashkent in Uzbekistan -- the best singers and musicians are all Russians, working for chicken feed, unable to move anywhere.

They have no money, no connections and would not be able to cope with Russian bureaucracy. So they are forced to provide cheap, but superb, music for the expatriates of Tashkent. It is not unusual to hear a string quartet played to international standards at private dinner parties by these unfortunate children of Stalin's victims.

Yet these are the people that Putin and his cronies hope will help rebuild Russia! However, not in Moscow, you know! Oh no, not there. Just as Putin's main concern is that Russian women produce more babies and that more of them survive healthily in order to strengthen Russia's armed forces, so do they want the exiles to come home and provide a buttress against the Chinese.

What's that, you say, "against" the Chinese? How come? You thought that the Chinese and Russians were now the best of friends, ganging up against the West. Th leaders of the two countries are friends, not the peoples.

Sorry to bore you, but try typing "Chinese women" and "Chinese babies" into Google too. See what I mean? You could define countries as failed states where so many women are trying to get out and where so many babies are sold abroad. (You don't think you can just turn up and take them off for free do you? Have a look at the adoption Web sites. Some of those babies are being adopted by pedophiles. But I digress.)

Putin admits in his State of the Nation speech that he does not expect sufficient numbers of "compatriots" to come back, he admits that Russia will have to "encourage (other) educated and law-abiding people" to migrate into the country. Big test, those criteria! If so many law-abiding and educated Russians are doing all they can to get out of Russia, why should foreigners with those qualities want to get in? Why should they want to subject themselves to the increasingly violent anti-immigrant skin heads who roam Russian cities freely?

No I haven't forgotten the Chinese. Just how desperate and frightened the Russians are about the Chinese is well illustrated by a recent call by Sergei Mironov, the chair of the Federation Council (the Russian Parliament) for incentives to be offered sufficiently attractive to draw 25 million Russians back from the Commonwealth of Independent States (most of the old Soviet Union).

I doubt if there are that many ethnic Russians living in the Commonwealth of Independent States, and if there are I am sure that they do not want to go back to Russia at any price. Even defining Slavs of any nationality as "compatriots" will not get the numbers up to 25 million; the incentives needed to come anywhere near that figure would drain the Russian treasury dry.

Kamil Iskhakov, Putin's representative for the Russian Far East, is said to have called for 15 million compatriot immigrants to be attracted into the provinces that border China. In the eyes of Chinese people (it was what their textbooks tell them and their leaders) these provinces were stolen from China in the unequal treaties of 1858 and 1860 imposed by the strong Russian czar on the weak Qing emperor. Russians believe that Chinese will claim these provinces back and they want more Russians to come and live in the provinces to reduce the need for immigrants to make the economy work at all.

However, Iskhakov is a realist, to some extent, as he knows that Russians who can are getting out of the Far East as fast as they are able. He recently said that many regions of Russia's Far East "cannot exist without immigrants." They are needed to make up for the "severe shortage of labor for construction of roads, buildings, bridges and essential infrastructure projects." Actually, they are also needed to keep the retail sector alive, keep the large number of Russian prostitutes in business and also to keep the growing numbers of casinos profitable.

So, Russia is a country where hundreds of thousands of women are desperate to get out at any price, large numbers of other women and orphans are sold abroad, where its army cannot staff itself except with drunken drug-taking smokers (those who survive to conscription age that is) and which is dependent on immigrants from countries that the people regard with contempt, and as enemies, just to survive. This is what Putin's State of the Nation message tells me.

A failed state or what?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: humantrafficking; putin; russia
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To: Cyber Liberty
I dunno if the surrent crop of mods can take Full Frontal Arrogance!

Which reminds me. I've got a couple of well chilled AB's in the 'fridge...

41 posted on 05/26/2006 3:25:07 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
That's where feminism goes. All kinds of feminism contributes to socialism, including divorce/cohabitation lobbies, domestic violence lobbies and amazonian propaganda. The Nazis contributed to feminist propaganda. So did Communist leaders in Russia and China.

Here's some evidence.

"Then it will be plain that the first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex back into public industry, and that this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society" (Frederick Engels, "Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State").

Mao's Little Red Book on Women
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Mao/Mao-31-Women.html

Some of Lenin's words on women
http://www.marx.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/nov/06.htm

The following is from the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" (Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Fredrick Engels)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

"The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women."

He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce free love; it has existed almost from time immemorial."


“Everyone who knows anything of history also knows that great social revolutions are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of the fair sex (plain ones included)” (Karl Marx Letter to Ludwig Kugelmann, MECW, Volume 43, p. 184, http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1868/letters/68_12_12.htm)
42 posted on 05/26/2006 3:47:32 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, the Baltic states and probably the Ukraine would be happy to get rid of the fifth columniacs. I see a win-win situation emerging.


43 posted on 05/26/2006 4:06:46 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: dakine
Russian women.....

....very nice


44 posted on 05/26/2006 4:14:27 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: pbrown
Both Russia and China require that prospective adoptive parents submit dossiers including exhaustive home studies (performed by social workers licensed by the state of residence of the adopter), Potential adoptive parents also must submit to criminal background checks (FBI and state and local, including a review of their driving records). Russia also requires that prospective adoptive parents (American) be evaluated by a psychologist.

China severely restricts single parent adoptions. All adopters from China must sign a statement affirming that they are NOT homosexual.

Americans who are divorced must provide a study for the Russian judge as to why they do not have custody of their natural children, if they do not.

So certainly a crafty pedophile could (and at least one notorious one has) "gamed" his/her way through the system but it would not be a cakewalk. However, providing foster care in America, adopting from social welfare in America, or simply signing up for child sex tours abroad... is so much easier. That is where I would look for the pedophiles.

I think the author of this study really hasn't got a clue about American "pedophiles" adopting from Russia and China and just threw that comment out there. However, within Russia and throughout eastern Europe there are many (many)children in orphanages who are used for personal perversion by the orphanage staffs and others. Some (many) Americans have managed to adopt and save some of them.
45 posted on 05/26/2006 4:38:32 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
",,,to come back to the fatherland. Or is that motherland?"
It is MoFer-land. [MoFer=MF in "REMF"]
46 posted on 05/26/2006 5:20:08 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"...to come back to the fatherland. Or is that motherland?"
It is MoFer-land. [MoFer=MF in "REMF"]
47 posted on 05/26/2006 5:21:13 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Restorer

If you visit Vladivostok you'll notice that it IS Chinese.


48 posted on 05/26/2006 7:54:26 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Regulator

"And now, 15 years gone, forces their young women to sell themselves any way they can to survive. "

When is the last time you were in Moscow? A good majority of the prostitutes now are from Ukraine, Moldova, or the provinces. The Chechens are usually their pimps. Still a horrible situation, but the numbers "Muscovites" engaged in prostitution has plummeted enough that prostitutes will advertise on the internet or in papers stating they are a "true" Moscow gal (so they can up their price).

What's really sad is if you talk to these girls (they hang out in bars frequented by Westerners) you'll find that a lot of them are very educated and if they had been born somewhere else they'd probably be doing quite well for themselves.

It's been my experience (and observation) that most Russian (and Ukrainian) men take their women for granted.


49 posted on 05/26/2006 8:02:48 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: trubluolyguy

Please Sir, may I have two?


50 posted on 05/26/2006 8:04:57 PM PDT by heights
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To: heights

lol, nice to see someome has a sense of humor.


51 posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:34 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (What's going on now, calling it a pathway to citizenship is not honest. It's amnesty.)
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To: AntiGuv

Those nukes are no good if the sites are manned by corrupt drunken officers and mentally and physically ill conscripts.

This statement in the article is the main illness they suffer from and affects all aspects of their life:

"So, Russia is a country where hundreds of thousands of women are desperate to get out at any price, large numbers of other women and orphans are sold abroad, where its army cannot staff itself except with drunken drug-taking smokers (those who survive to conscription age that is) and which is dependent on immigrants from countries that the people regard with contempt, and as enemies, just to survive. This is what Putin's State of the Nation message tells me. "

Russian women don't want to have children, especially boys, when they're fed to the military like slabs of meat when they turn 18. If they don't get their armed forces converted into a real professional army (and not the "experiment" [failed] contract basis) they'll collapse even further.

I'll repeat this until I'm blue in the face - Putin is NOT the all powerful autocrat that he is depicted in the Western press. He has no real control over the Army and, in my opinion, will not gain control over them until he fires his best friend (Sergej Ivanov) and a whole generation of generals.

Nobody in the US that understands how the world works would be cheering this horrible state of affairs in Russia - it affects us all. Nation-states are their most unpredictable when they are weak. We need a strong, vibrant, and confident Russia (for our own selfish reasons). A Russia that is sure of herself would NOT recognize HAMAS, fool around with the Iranians, and play footsies with the Chinese.


52 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:43 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: trubluolyguy
I knew you weren't. I just thought that should be pointed out what's happening to some of these poor Eastern European Women from the old soviet union.

Former communism caused these countries to have very little prosperity which it will take yrs if ever to overcome and therefore today because of the poverty we've got lots and lots of corruption...so the sex trafficking is huge in this area...it's a multi-billion $ business.

53 posted on 05/26/2006 8:25:06 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: shield
The fire at Istanbul's Airport, couldn't happen to a better place. Women are sold, raped, and tortured, from Russia, to Turkey. These women are desparet, to feed their families. This is not funny....
54 posted on 05/26/2006 8:25:12 PM PDT by Jank
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To: Jank

No it's not...it's HORRIBLE....


55 posted on 05/26/2006 8:26:53 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Romanov

I am not cheering the demise of Russia at all. In fact, I lived in Moscow for a while and finally left in mid-winter of 2000 in great part because I was becoming a typical depressed alcoholic expat. I decided I'd had all I could take on a Thursday, wrapped everything up, and flew out the next Friday.


56 posted on 05/26/2006 8:32:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

I wasn't trying to infer that you were cheering its demise! my apologies.


57 posted on 05/26/2006 8:33:49 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

No problem! If anything your post reminded me of how I have a bit of a denial tendency when it comes to Russia. I don't like the thought of Russia going down the tubes, and so I tend to look on the overly bright side, when if I reflect on it I know the outlook right now is rather grim..

I tend to be the same way with Western Europe for that matter. I imagine that they'll figure out a solution for their demographic crisis, short of becoming Islamic states, though right now it's altogether unclear what that solution might be.


58 posted on 05/26/2006 8:38:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
"I imagine that they'll figure out a solution for their demographic crisis, short of becoming Islamic states, though right now it's altogether unclear what that solution might be."

Think St. Barths Day massacre (France, where else?).
59 posted on 05/26/2006 8:52:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

[it's more about the economy than religion.]

Countries and cultures have withstood starvation and drought. What they do not withstand is the disruption which the Russian people were put through by the Soviets. So many killed, so many social structures destroyed.

If a population doesn’t have any social structures and customs by which to deal with each other with some bit of trust, it is hopeless. How can you engage in trade when you don’t trust each other? It will only end up with the person who has the most muscle getting everything his way.

While if you have a civilization, which is organized, and whose people are self controlled and decent, wonders can be achieved.


60 posted on 05/26/2006 9:00:49 PM PDT by tomatoealive (On a hot summer day in my garden, I picked a pretty, ripe, tomato and ate it there.)
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