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John Taylor GattoSpeech to theVermont Homeschooling Conference
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Posted on 05/26/2006 11:21:36 AM PDT by cinives

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Thought-provoking.
1 posted on 05/26/2006 11:21:44 AM PDT by cinives
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


2 posted on 05/26/2006 11:39:46 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Rytwyng

Gatto Bump!


3 posted on 05/26/2006 11:45:49 AM PDT by Verax
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To: cinives

Bump for later

If home schooling was good enough for Abe Lincoln;
then its good enough for mine.


4 posted on 05/26/2006 11:49:09 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: cinives

WE need to get rid of government schools. Nothing else is adequate.


5 posted on 05/26/2006 11:52:15 AM PDT by tomzz
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little people with no apparent purpose, just like caged rats, pressing a bar for sustenance, who develop eccentric mannerisms on a periodic reinforcement schedule.

Lord have mercy on us.

Aside from Sam Blumenfeld, Gatto is the only ed writer I've found that is worth reading. He's a great man and a great writer.

And they'll get my kids over my dead body.

6 posted on 05/26/2006 12:04:45 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: cinives
Schools would serve as "instruments of managed evolution, establishing conditions for selective breeding before the masses take things into their own hands" (now I quoted that from a published essay by Edward Thorndike at Columbia Teacher's college in 1911).

Ideas have consequences.

7 posted on 05/26/2006 12:08:12 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Today we're getting around that by importing uneducated illegal aliens steeped in socialism.

They can't educate capitalism and individualism out of us fast enough so they're allowing in enough numbers of socialists to overwhelm us.


8 posted on 05/26/2006 12:11:26 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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The real purpose of modern schooling was announced by the legendary sociologist Edward Roth in his manifesto of 1906 called SOCIAL CONTROL. Your librarian will easily be able to get a copy of this book. In it Roth wrote, (I am quoting) "plans are underway to replace family, community and church with propaganda, mass-media and education (of course he meant schooling)...people are only little plastic lumps of dough". Another insider, H. H. Cadard, chairman for the Psychology Department at Princeton, called government schooling approvingly -- "the perfect organization of the hive with the anthill". Cadard wrote further, "standardized testing would cause the lower classes to confront their biological inferiority, sort of like wearing a dunce cap. In time that would discourage reproduction of the ants on the anthill".
The hits keep right on comin'
9 posted on 05/26/2006 12:11:32 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: kellynla

Even Thomas Jefferson, often used to justify public schooling, only thought 3 years of several hours a day was necessary. Other education was best got at home.


10 posted on 05/26/2006 12:13:17 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: tomzz

We need to get rid of most of government along with it, but I'll be happy to start with public schools.


11 posted on 05/26/2006 12:14:18 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

Bump for later.


12 posted on 05/26/2006 12:17:52 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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They can't educate capitalism and individualism out of us fast enough so they're allowing in enough numbers of socialists to overwhelm us.

I find that plausible. It's very difficult to explain both parties' willingness to commit national suicide.

13 posted on 05/26/2006 12:25:42 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: cinives

We need to appeal to the God of "In God We Trust"


14 posted on 05/26/2006 12:44:37 PM PDT by Spirited
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And they'll get my kids over my dead body.

No problem. Totalitarian Collectivists would be perfectly comfortable turning you into a dead body to achieve their ends. After all, when there is no God, there are no eternal consequences for murder.

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15 posted on 05/26/2006 1:29:58 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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from http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=478, who says it better than I ever could:

We should pray often, and as bluntly and aggressively as we can. But, then we must act. Just as prayer alone would not get us past Pearl Harbor - prayers will not bail us out of this current assault on our liberty! So I say, "Praise the Lord, but pass the ammunition!"

A good friend of mine sent the following paragraph that better expresses my true feelings about God, and prayer, and with his permission I submit it now for your consideration:

"It is not enough to simply claim to stand on ’faith.’ The Book of James clearly admonishes that ’faith’ without accompanying action is actually deadfaith. We must be realistic about the present situation. In the words of this organization’s namesake, Patrick Henry, ’There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged!’

The Bible states that ’Righteousness exalts a nation.’ But can indifference and passive acceptance of evil be construed by any stretch as being ’righteousness?’ Are the chains of slavery and servitude the inheritance which we want to leave to our children? So pray by all means, but then act!"

16 posted on 05/26/2006 1:36:07 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I think I just discovered one of my favorite writers. Thanks for the ping.


18 posted on 05/26/2006 4:12:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Tired of Taxes; Born Conservative

I'm somewhat familiar with John Taylor Gatto's work. While I don't agree with absolutely every thing he states, he himself points out one can disagree with some of his individual points yet still heartily agree with his larger point. When it comes to the larger problem of education, he has hit the nail directly on the head.

People look for scapegoats in the nation's educational crisis. Bad kids, bad parents, bad teachers, bad cirriculum, bad culture. Just spend a little more money, make a few more rules, pile on a little more busywork, add a few more hours, and everyone celebrates but very causing the crisis, but the public school system in its entirety. Parents should keep their children out of them if at all possible.


19 posted on 05/26/2006 4:54:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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i love this guy... i read his, The Underground History of American Education, a couple of years ago... what a read!


20 posted on 05/26/2006 5:11:52 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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