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Evolution Ruling Tossed Out in Georgia
Atlanta Journal - Constitution ^ | 5/26/06 | Kristina torres, Bill Rankin

Posted on 05/25/2006 7:02:37 PM PDT by Hoodat

The federal appeals court in Atlanta on Thursday declined to rule on the constitutionality of controversial Cobb County evolution disclaimers because the court said it did not have enough information to make the decision.

The ruling was the latest twist in a nationally watched case that has raised questions of local authority over schools and whether Cobb's sticker -- which called evolution "a theory, not a fact" -- runs afoul of the First Amendment.

The ruling means more arguments from lawyers and, perhaps, a new trial.

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The 11th Circuit noted that all parties in the case agree that some evidence presented to Cooper during a four-day trial is now missing. "The problems presented by a record containing significant evidentiary gaps are compounded because at least some key findings of the district court are not supported by the evidence that is contained in the record," Judge Ed Carnes wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 11thcircuit; 11thcircuitcourt; cobbcounty; creation; crevo; crevolist; evolution; fakebutaccurate; georgia; intelligentdesign; lyingleftists; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: metmom
If science is not done by popular vote, then why are we asking *judges* to determine what science is?

Because the creationists refuse to accept the consenus of the scientific comminity.

21 posted on 05/25/2006 9:15:42 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: freedumb2003

We're told constantly that everything in science is a theory and that nothing is ever proven. Science is self-correcting as new data comes in. Well, if it's self-correcting, then what was previously believed was wrong.

The *physics* and *gravity* comparisons to evolution are ludicrous. No way evolution is as well established as those are. Why don't evos ever compare evolution to relativity, string theory, quantum physics,... for example.


22 posted on 05/25/2006 9:20:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
If science is not done by popular vote, then why are we asking *judges* to determine what science is?



Entertainment value. The Chinese, Indians, and every other country positioning themselves for 21st scientific dominance are In stitches over this stuff.
23 posted on 05/25/2006 9:21:06 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Wormwood
Because the creationists refuse to accept the consenus of the scientific comminity.

What is the consensus of the scientific community regarding the creation of energy and matter?

24 posted on 05/25/2006 9:21:57 PM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: metmom
If everybody were hairy, it would be considered normal, and therefore not unattractive. Hairlessness is not necessarily more attractive than hair, or fur. Ever see a naked mole rat. One ugly creature.

True. But also remember humans, and only humans, learned to use both fire and clothing to help keep warm. After those developments perhaps the need for full body hair for warmth diminished. Additionally, it's probably slightly healthier to have less hair, as there would be fewer parasites and things like that. To me it seems natural that we lost fur/hair because we really don't need it like animals do.

25 posted on 05/25/2006 9:22:40 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Wormwood

So we force on the unwilling majority the will of the few (who think they have the answers) through the power of the judiciary. Is that how a representative republic works? Someone, or some group, decides what's best for everyone else and forces it on them whether the majority wants it or not.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 9:23:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cementjungle

Except that hair/fur would protect against the elements better, like frostbite, and sunburn, and skin cancer. With the amount of time and energy people have expended over the years to keep warm, you'd think that hair would be an advantage. More energy could be channeled into feeding and raising young.

If hair kept them warm, they wouldn't need clothing and so would not likely think it up and start to wear it. The need would have only arisen AFTER the loss of hair and the need for other protection.


27 posted on 05/25/2006 9:27:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Someone, or some group, decides what's best for everyone else and forces it on them whether the majority wants it or not.





Alex Fleming and that bunch were fascists!


28 posted on 05/25/2006 9:29:15 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I suppose you can provide some articles to show us where they find this so amusing? I haven't read that anywhere except on FR from the evos who occasionally make that statement.


29 posted on 05/25/2006 9:29:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

They probably don't find it amusing in the "Ha! Ha! Pie in the Face" funny. They more than likely find it amusing in the same way that a basketball team finds their opposing team bickering amusing.

I have talked to foreign scientists who have asked (rather timidly) if it was a "real" debate or not.


30 posted on 05/25/2006 9:33:57 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: metmom
If hair kept them warm, they wouldn't need clothing and so would not likely think it up and start to wear it. The need would have only arisen AFTER the loss of hair and the need for other protection.

My guess is that one layer of fur (our own) wan't enough to fully protect against severe weather. Once animal fur was discovered, probably immediately after eating said animal, it was learned that thicker clothing works better. So, I could see a desire to wear furs even if you had your own. More is better when its freezing out. Also, in hot climates/seasons it's better to have the option to remove the warm clothing.

31 posted on 05/25/2006 9:35:43 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Hoodat
Evolution is still unproven theory. The Cobb County School Board was doing a service to the students. Unlike you, they recognize the actual state of the evolution theory.

Please provide a proof (or a link to one) for the atomic theory of matter, or the special theory of relativity, or whatever "proven theory" you like.

Do they really recognize the actual state of evolution theory? Where on the sticker does it state that over 99% of biologists think it's correct?

btw, can you explain how a giraffe 'evolved'? I would love to hear the 'scientific' explanation for that one.

What's with the quote marks?

Here's an interesting discussion. Google on giraffe evolution if you're seriously interested.

32 posted on 05/25/2006 9:39:18 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I would use the incorrect statement on the sticker as an opportunity to point out to the students that those supporting such a sticker don't know what they're talking about.

That's why the politicians' names should be on it. Make a great campaign sign for the opposition.

33 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:54 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

Your link does not explain the 'evolution' of the series of valves that exist in a giraffe's neck. Without them, the giraffe would pass out every time it raised its head.

By the way, the atomic theory of matter has been proven. It is not based on some hypothesis of how things used to be, but instead on measuring how things exist now.


34 posted on 05/25/2006 9:49:03 PM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: metmom
No evolutionist has explained, as far as I've seen, why humans would have evolved to lose all their body hair

We haven't lost all our hair (just ask John Kerry) but we have less because our ancestors evolved on the savannah, where heat regulation is a prime concern. Having too much body hair is also a hindrance more than it is a blessing -- you can take off a winter coat when it's hot, but you can't as easily shave. That makes it easier for us to inhabit a wider variety of climates.

35 posted on 05/25/2006 9:56:32 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Savannah is really only hot in the summer.


36 posted on 05/25/2006 9:58:18 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Hoodat

14th century warning sticker: Heliocentrism is just a theory, and should not be accepted as fact.

15th century warning sticker: A "Round Earth" is just a theory, and should not be accepted as fact.

etc.

A lot of dumb people in Cobb County Georgia are trying to make sure their kids grow up dumb, too.


37 posted on 05/25/2006 10:01:17 PM PDT by ModerateGOOPer
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To: metmom
MetMom

The links to those articles will not come, because they are not there of course.

I found this powerful article right here on the FR. I have not had the time yet but to give it a quick look.

Nine Commentaries on the [Chinese] Communist Party (Anti-ChiCom piece from Chinese perspective)

Look for this phrase 'The Communist Party applies Darwin’s inter-species competition to human', and then search within page on 'atheist' and the results are dramtictic.

Of course the FR evos will declare it all fantasy and heavily debunked, but since YOU MetMom actually have a independent thinking head there, I can count on you to draw your own conclusions.

Wolf
38 posted on 05/25/2006 10:05:05 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
lets try it again.

Nine Commentaries on the [Chinese] Communist Party (Anti-ChiCom piece from Chinese perspective)

There that is better.

Wolf
39 posted on 05/25/2006 10:09:08 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Hoodat; DaveLoneRanger
"The problems presented by a record containing significant evidentiary gaps are compounded because at least some key findings of the district court are not supported by the evidence that is contained in the record,"

Pretty sobering isn't it.

40 posted on 05/25/2006 10:11:16 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so.)
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