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To: MACVSOG68; EdReform; scripter; little jeremiah; DBeers
I didn't realize that. I do see almost daily stories involving teachers going after students of the opposite sex though. Do you have any statistics or studies reflecting a greater propensity of homosexuals trying to influence students than heterosexuals?

Huh? I don't understand your points at all. Deviants come in all preferences. Both homo- and hetero- deviants, if unrepentant and active in the "lifestyle" should be expunged from the classroom--especially in Catholic schools. I wouldn't want a hetero- sexual predator teaching my kids. I also wouldn't want a prostitute teaching them. Or a stripper. Or a swinger. However, this article is specifically about a homo that got the boot. So why don't you try sticking to that subject?

Well, I can't argue the nexus one way or the other, but the issue of teacher/student corruption and relationships seems very pronounced these days, regardless of sexual preference.

Exactly. It's a direct result of the hyper-sexualized society which has emerged since the 1960s.

Absolutely! But the same goes for heterosexual fondling. None of that should be tolerated.

You make it sound like that's not a given. Sheesh.

Again we agree, but again I say the same holds for heterosexual teachers.

What? So hetero teachers can't mention their wives or their children? That's just stupid and takes moral relativism to a whole new level. Repeat after me if you can: "Heterosexual conduct within the bounds of marriage is good, healthy, natural, lifegiving and proper." Homosexual conduct is never any of those things under any circumstances."

But did these "gay-birds" provide a proper education?

Perhaps you didn't understand my previous statement. Two of the three were eventually fired for sexual abuse. The third was fired for unknown reasons--but if I were a betting man, I'd say it was because he did something improper with a student.

I certainly don't believe that just knowing that a teacher is a homosexual has any bearing on the future sexual preferences of children.

And that's where we disagree. Homosexual propaganda is all about smoke and mirrors--presenting an image of what the "lifestyle" seems to be, as opposed to what it really is. If you don't know about this, read this article:

The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement (Caution, graphic contents)

First, I'm not aware of any current cover-ups, as the laws are pretty tough on both the perpetrators and the enablers, and it is much easier psychologically for those abused to come forward.

Uh, it's a cover up. Of course you're not going to be aware. There are probably twice as many sex abuse cases in LA as there were in Boston, but Cardinal Mahoney is not in any danger. He's been stonewalling prosecutors for years--and is allowed to get away with it because of his political connections to both big-time Democrats and RINOs like Dick Riordan.

Second, there is ample evidence the Vatican has known about these scandals for years. And I don't know why the Vatican is so powerless.

Knowing about a scandal and being able to do something about it are two different things. The Vatican realizes that the root of the scandal is an unusually bad crop of bishops in America. The Vatican could do two things--attempt to depose and replace them all (probably more than 100) and risk an open schism, or wait for the bad ones to die off and replace them with more faithful prelates. For better or worse, the Vatican decided on course #2. I don't know enough to postulate whether that was the better course. Time will tell.

Links?

You asked for it---

Homosexual Urban Legends

The Secret Shame of Our Schools -- NY Post article

Sexual Abuse in Social Context

I'm sure some other FReepers can help you out as well....
54 posted on 05/25/2006 11:09:29 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: Antoninus
I see you pinged for some help. No problem.

Huh? I don't understand your points at all. Deviants come in all preferences. Both homo- and hetero- deviants, if unrepentant and active in the "lifestyle" should be expunged from the classroom--especially in Catholic schools.

I agree with you, that anyone showing a propensity to engage in illicit behavior with students should immediately be fired and if appropriate, prosecuted, regardless of sexual preference. And not just in Catholic schools, any school.

However, this article is specifically about a homo that got the boot. So why don't you try sticking to that subject?

You seemed to have little difficulty discussing the larger issue, the growing problem of improper student-teacher contacts, so I am merely responding to you. If you recollect, I took the position that the school had every legal right to fire the teacher.

You make it sound like that's not a given. Sheesh.

Don't mean to, but within a certain group here, it is all to often overlooked in favor of concentrating on 1.5% of the population.

What? So hetero teachers can't mention their wives or their children? That's just stupid and takes moral relativism to a whole new level.

Up to this point we have been discussing improper and illegal behavior. Do you wish to change the topic. You didn't earlier. The initial issue seemed to be whether or not the teacher's sexual preference found its way into the classroom in terms of his behavior.

Repeat after me if you can: "Heterosexual conduct within the bounds of marriage is good, healthy, natural, lifegiving and proper." Homosexual conduct is never any of those things under any circumstances."

I agree that it's not normal as only a tiny percentage of the population claims to be homosexual. The terms you put out are simply a straw man intended to divert the discussion from the teacher who was fired to a general discussion of the differences between hetero and homosexual unions and the results. As you sternly argued, let's stick to the topic.

Perhaps you didn't understand my previous statement. Two of the three were eventually fired for sexual abuse. The third was fired for unknown reasons--but if I were a betting man, I'd say it was because he did something improper with a student.

And any evidence of improper conduct should have warranted their firing.

And that's where we disagree. Homosexual propaganda is all about smoke and mirrors--presenting an image of what the "lifestyle" seems to be, as opposed to what it really is. If you don't know about this, read this article:

I've addressed this issue in other posts. I'm sure you don't read anything by Tammy Bruce, but her book The Death of Right and Wrong does a great job on this topic. The militant homosexual movement is dangerous by any definition. Bruce, an acknowledged lesbian herself points to this problem. But that's where the comparison ends. Every political movement has its spearhead that few would associate with. Civil rights had its Black Panthers, the women's movement had its "feminazis", and not even Tammy Bruce wants anything to do with the very militant homosexual movement today. Their attempts to infiltrate the schools with actual descriptions of homosexual acts is disgusting. And I agree with her completely on that.

But as with other extremist movements, most of those who are a part of that group want little to nothing to do with it. I imagine most homosexuals who are teachers are in that last group and just want to obey the law and provide the same quality education that most heterosexual teachers want to provide. Any evidence to the contrary should be dealt with swiftly. No homosexual should provide any type of education outside of the approved curricula.

Links? You asked for it---

The first link shows a study by a Dr. Rubin who apparently made a study in the 1980s. Cannot locate it. Dr. Gene Abel's study reflected that homosexuals who molest do it at a rate 5 times that of heterosexuals. It does not conclude at all that there is a higher preponderance of homosexuals molesting than heterosexuals as a group. The third was a Catholic defense of the priests, but admitting that molestation was a serious problem. We agree. On the other hand, there are a number of professional studies indicating there is no linkage between homosexuality and pedophilia. WebMD, the Journal of American Medicine, UC Davis Psychology Department study and quite a few individually financed studies by professional and doctors have reached the same conclusion. Whether in fact any of these is determinative is arguable. But we do agree that child abuse is a serious problem and must be dealt with. I believe however, that zeroing in on an entire demographic group without sufficient evidence tends to skew the focus from conduct of actual perpetrators to slapping a label on an entire group without any evidence of abuse.

66 posted on 05/25/2006 12:28:52 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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